The Vaccines: 'Rihanna Isn't a Real Artist'

The Vaccines have suggested Rihanna lacks artistic merit because she does not write her own songs.

The Vaccines: 'Rihanna Isn't a Real Artist'
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The Vaccines have suggested Rihanna lacks artistic merit because she does not write her own songs. The band also suggested Coldplay would do anything to be the biggest band in the world. The Vaccines guitarist Freddie Cowan told Digital Spy: "Rihanna isn't an artist - she has 15 writers, 15 songwriters and 15 producers all fighting for space on her albums and she's the face of it." "I have nothing against it, but I don't want to be associated with it," he added. Coldplay are due to perform their collaboration with Rihanna, "Princess Of China", at the Paralympics closing ceremony next month, and the guitarist suggested the song lacked "artistic merit" - although he admitted he had never heard it. "I've never heard that song, but it's Coldplay - they'll do whatever they can to be the biggest band on earth, to be bigger than U2," he said. "They Do It Really Well And They'Ve Never Put Out a Bad Album So Hats Off To Them," he continued. "I have nothing against those collaborations because I don't feel you can judge people, but I don't think I'll ever be involved in something like that." "It needs artistic merit," he said. The Vaccines are set to release their new album "Come Of Age" on 3 September. The band recently announced their biggest headline UK tour to date, playing 11 shows in November - check Gigwise Gig Tickets for more information. Thanks to Gigwise for the report.

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    duncang
    I wonder what he has to say about classical performers who tour the world performing beautiful music from the repertoire but haven't written a note in their lives.
    Spychosis
    Those people tend to put their own personal flair into the songs. No one knows specifically how Mozart's pieces were supposed to sound as he was never personally recorded, being over a century before that tech existed. So everyone is playing Mozart their own way to a degree. Besides, they still play intruments well; Rihanna can't even sing that well.
    duncang
    How well do you have to perform before you become an artist? Apply to punk vocalist who can't sing and doesn't write
    dankhus
    Eh, seems like you're straying off-topic, nobody commented on her performing other people's songs. Nobody contests that a composer is an artist, but we can have our doubts whether stars like Rihanna are performers or artists.
    Callum Zandir
    What if a classical musician's interpretation is entirely dictated by their knowledge of performance practices of the time? Would you say these performances lack 'artistic merit'?
    Spychosis
    Yeah I probably would. It's the same as watching a kid do a clarinet recital, or playing a tab from this site to the T. Until you are able to add your own variation to the playing, it just does not merit artistic integrity. Although it can still sound good and be a cool experience, it won't have the same lasting appeal.
    DickHardwood
    Rihanna's songs don't really have anything outstanding and she didn't really write anything.. but "post break up sex to help you forget your ex" isn't really what one would call an inspiring chorus either.
    SumFX
    I'm not a Rihanna fan but id rather listen to her than The Vaccines any day.
    SkepsisMetal
    Well considering I have no idea who they are, yet Rihanna is nearly a household name by this point.... where's the artistic merit? Why are all bands turning into massive children suddenly?
    babinator99
    What a pretentious ****. I won't go over the arguments because the comments section did that pretty well already, but jumping ****ing shitballs this guy is a douche. For the record I have nothing against Rhianna, but I don't like her music either.
    BigMikeBDD
    I don't know who The Vaccines are, but I can't argue with them. Any of that stuff out today whether it's Rihanna, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga or even Jay-Z It all lacks talent. It's manufactured, processed and cookie cutter Pop and R&B.
    Syn166
    While i agree with most of what you said, Lady Gaga actually writes her own music and lyrics, she even put out a singer songwriter style album before she was Lady Gaga
    Hamburger89
    The songs were written by bussinessmen/artists. I put bussinessmen first for a reason.
    Macabre_Turtle
    Everybody that ever tries to make a dime off of their art is a business man. The way you conduct the business has no effect on how much of an artist you are. The person writing these songs might not be a good artist (I would say he's not, as well) but there's no way of saying whether or not business comes before art in his/her eyes. In fact, I would say art is extremely important to this person, or they wouldn't have made a career out of creating it.
    Dallen_007
    I don't know about the good artist comment. The songs these song writers write for other artist are not nearly as powerful or artistic as the songs they write for themselves. Take Frank Ocean for example. He wrote a few shitty songs for Bieber and Beyonce, then released an incredible album of his own.
    bulusvanua
    Bernie Taupin has had a big career as a song writer, probably isn't a great performer. Michael Jackson only had 3 co-credits on the thriller album, but was an absolute perfectionist in his vocal performance. The way I see it if I've got an artistic idea and you can make it come to life we're both contributing to the creation of that art and are thus both artists.
    iommi600
    Basically, I've said the very same thing you said and I got 6 downvotes so far... lol, good old UG
    Ahteh
    It's one thing to say Rihanna isn't the brains behind the operation, it's another to say the songs lack artistic merits. Surely someone wrote those songs.
    mulefish
    "They Do It Really Well And They'Ve Never Put Out a Bad Album So Hats Off To Them," What's up with the capitalization?
    Spychosis
    I know what I'd say: "those people sure can actually play an instrument." Those people usually adapt the pieces they play to their own liking too; give it their own personal flair. Rihanna can't even sing very well.
    2ndslash
    The vaccines make a fair point, but they've basically released an album with the same song at different tempos
    TJ1991
    A manufactured popstar doesn't have artistic merit comparable with a band who wrote their own songs?! Who knew?! It's hardly any kind of revelation. Just another band desperate for exposure attacking someone more famous than them because they have an album coming out. Which is pretty ironic given what they said about Coldplay "doing anything" to be the biggest band in the world. I've still never heard anything by them, and I care even less now.
    jkubed
    The Vaccines to release their new album... on 3 September." Ohhh, that explains it.
    iommi600
    The thing is: being an artist is not only about writing its own songs. An artist also knows how to entertain the public, maintain touch/appeal with the public, perform on stage, etc. So yes, Rihanna IS a real artist. Elvis Presley did not wrote a single song is his whole life. Therefore, he's not a real artist, right? Elitist logic wins again... And just for the record, I can't stand her songs.
    DexterF
    I'd call someone whose primary function is to entertain an entertainer.
    iommi600
    Being an entertainer is also part of being an artist. Not a fundamental part maybe, but indeed a part of it.
    lmo2th
    Being an entertainer is part of being an artist, but being an artist is NOT a part of being an entertainer. Art is a product of creativity. If you didn't create the music then you're not the artist. If a friend draws a picture of me am I the artist? Of course not, and the same applies to music.
    iommi600
    My point is: I'm not even arguing that she does not write her own songs. But you can't say she "isn't a real artist" just because of that, she makes shows, she performs, she connects with her public. That is also PART of being an artist. Particularly I'm not impressed by those kinds of pop concerts, but there's people who are. If she expresses herself and there's people who feel related, does not it makes her an artist? See, I was fine with the first sentence of this article: "lacks artistic merit" It LACKS artistic merit, which does not mean she "is not a real artist" like the band said.
    MrDo0m
    Sorry man, but the way I see it being an artist =/= being an entertainer. In a lot of cases, an artist is also an entertainer (in the case of performing musicians and comedians), but by definition they are not one in the same.
    MrDo0m
    Sorry man, but the way I see it being an artist =/= being an entertainer. In a lot of cases, an artist is also an entertainer (in the case of performing musicians and comedians), but by definition they are not one in the same.
    MrDo0m
    Fucking double posts.. Anyways, I wouldn't call Vincent Van Gogh an entertainer, but he was certainly an artist. Likewise someone like Beethoven was in some ways an entertainer, but much more of an artist than an entertainer. With that being said, I would say Rihanna is much more of an entertainer than an artist.
    aureliusgtr
    she is a performer/entertainer by every biut of what you defined bro...if she was her own choreagrapher, maybe then i could agree with you, but she doesnt even do that herself, she is a hired puppet for a record label to sell a bunch of garbage to idiots who will follow...she has no ARTISTIC talent, or CREATIVE talent if you will, she is simply an ENTERTAINER...
    iommi600
    "if she was her own choreagrapher maybe then i could agree with you, but she doesnt even do that herself" Well, I'm really not into pop music tricks tbh, but if this is true, THEN I AGREE that she's JUST an entertainer and I apologize for my mistake here. All the stage performance counts as a creation somehow, and therefore it holds artistic value, take for an example the zillions of bands that put (or used to put) some serious effort on their live performances, like Kiss, Alice Cooper, Ozzy, Mercyful Fate, etc.
    iommi600
    Oh well, @MrDo0m, I didn't saw your comments, my bad... but what I replied to @aueliusgtr kinda applies to what you said, too. :p
    phoenixsixx
    how is she able to connect with her public through something she had never felt or thought. She sings other persons lyrics, that ir enough lack of artistic merit for me.
    phoenixsixx
    how is she able to connect with her public through something she had never felt or thought?. She sings other persons lyrics, that ir enough lack of artistic merit for me.
    Floyd Phoenix
    2 points: 1) Elvis could actually sing, and had a phenomenal voice, whilst also being able to actually play guitar and piano. 2) He did write a few songs, albeit they were co-written; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_son... _Presley I checked.
    iommi600
    I'm not even comparing his voice to Rihanna's voice or his talent overall, that would be just illogical. I just think the argument this band used to say she's not an artist is flawed, using for an example Elvis, who was basically a performer for most of his career, wrote only a few songs (thanks for the correction btw) but still was one of the greatest artists to walk on this planet.
    Absurder22
    Yeah, and most educated people will tell you Elvis doesn't deserve any of the cred he gets whatsoever. What's your point?