Varg Vikernes to Stand Trial for Inciting Racial Hatred and Glorifying War Crimes

Burzum mastermind's blog posts described as anti-Semitic and xenophobic.

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Burzum mastermind Varg Vikernes will reportedly stand trial on charges of inciting racial hatred and glorifying war crimes through his official blog posts. As UPI reports, Varg will face the court in June 2014 and could face up to five years behind bars. Vikernes was previously arrested with his wife in July under the suspicion of preparing a "major terrorist act" described as a "massacre." Although both were initially released without any charges, Varg will now face the trial on his own. The initial arrest had Varg linked with mass murderer Anders Breivik, the man responsible for the death of 77 Norwegians back in July 2011 Oslo massacre. However, Vikernes condemned Breivik's actions, hoping he would commit suicide. After his release, the musician announced that he will be suing the French authorities for having no legal right to place him under arrest and break into his home. "The French authorities had no reason to arrest us in the first place," he said. "We had done nothing wrong, and they never had any evidence suggesting otherwise. They shot our door open, traumatized our children, threw my pregnant wife and me in holding cells and kept us there for two-three days."

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    Asterix_13
    This guy is a moron. Lock him up. And lol at the freedom of speech comments. When the Westboro Baptist Church was threatening to picket Jeff Hanneman's funeral nobody cared about freedom of speech.
    M3AK
    You, kindly sir, might just be my hero. Why has no one else said this?
    Geiger89
    People here are still confusing freedom of speech (which I support) and inciting racial hatred. Inciting is different to speaking. Inciting racial hatred is saying something that you know could CAUSE criminal activity. So much dumb in these comments - research the difference before you go off spouting bollocks.
    christianonbass
    Sometimes the best thing you can do to fight extreme, hateful views is simply let the person say what he stands for. If someone were to say, "This person is an idiot because he thinks 'so and so' should be able to vote, exist, marry or whatever", he just proved himself a moron by his own words. However, there is the old yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater example of "inciting". There is an obvious difference. In the cases where it isn't so obvious, that is what courts are for (at least in the U.S.A). You bring up a valid point.
    bustapr
    honestly, Im all for freedom of speech, just not for this asshat. he should be behind bars for the rest of his life.
    andriusd
    Just like in the good old nazi and soviet times. Lock up everyone who disturbs your peace of mind with unconventional ideas.
    bustapr
    actually, this guy is a murderer and arsonist. defending this guy in anything would be like defending some pedophile.
    peduvo22
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    x0vincent0x
    everyone should have freedom of speech...
    Jonagorn
    I think there's a difference between saying what you think and encouraging people to do bad things.
    Oyface
    They can't even get the facts right. "The initial arrest had Varg linked with mass murderer Anders Breivik" is not true, the only thing that "linked" them was Berivik sending Varg a copy of his manifesto.
    KerNeL_KLuTcH
    this is all I have to say about the Europe > USA argument that get's used all the time. At least in the USA no one would be arrested for stupid shit like this.
    Shaggy91
    Indeed you cannot legally arrest someone in the US without cause, and hate speech is not a crime. It was something that we were proud of until we found out we could be arrested for anything under the guise of terrorist activity. You have to watch what you say on the internet because it can really bite you in the ass regardless of if we have free speech or not
    dom180
    And in countries that do criminalise hate speech, we are proud to say that we will not simply sit back and allow certain groups to be publicly humiliated and persecuted by those talking from behind the veil of "free speech". Anyone who believes words can cause no harm is misinformed. Besides, there's a big difference between saying bad stuff and actively encouraging people to do bad stuff, which is what inciting racial hatred means.
    andriusd
    It doesn't seem like Varg was actively encouraging people to do bad stuff. I have to confess I didn't read all his writings, but from the ones I read, I did not get this impression.
    scawti
    Really? I'm sure there are quite a few Muslims who would disagree with that. You know that whole "Patriot Act"?
    SOADplayer2
    Everyone in this comment section is talking about freedom of speech. Fair enough. People can have their opinion and voice it all they want. HOWEVER, he has been charged with *inciting racial hatred*. That goes beyond freedom of speech, when what one man says can physically harm other people. All those people here proclaiming freedom of speech, how would you feel if you were sent death threats (or at least someone saying that they wished you were dead/ believed you should be dead)? Does freedom of speech cover any kind of threatening language?
    christianonbass
    Yes, there's a big difference between saying "I hate certain people" and going into a crowded theater and yelling, "FIRE"! heh heh FIRE, FIRE!
    iommi600
    This, so much this. Guys, freedom of speech =/= "you're allowed to say all kinds of harmful and loathful racist garbage because you're a nordic version of Hitler". People underestimate how ****ed up the far-right can be. Just look at Greece right now.
    the_bi99man
    The thing is, you're still just talking about people SAYING things. That's exactly what free speech is. You can SAY whatever the **** you want, because it's just TALK. DOING is entirely different, but SAYING something, anything, cannot be punished in a society that fancies itself "free". No matter how ****ed up something someone is saying is, if you've ever said, "this guy should be arrested for SAYING...", you are a ****ing fascist. Period. End of story.
    iommi600
    The effects of hate speech in society are too big to be put under the "it's just talk" veredict. Especially when they are meant to make racial tensions rise, in order to contextualize the far-right's hate agenda and spread their words around. Take a look at Joseph Goebbels' example. He did exactly what I've said. So did every single right-wing extremist in the world's history. That being said... no I'm not a fascist, I'm the polar opposite of it, that's why I want them to shut the **** up about their hate-fueled speech. Do you even know what "fascism" is?
    rebeltildeth87
    The right to express ones self greatly outweighs the right of anyone to get offended. People say shit all the time that upsets me. I get the **** over it, because I wouldn't want to live in a society that suppresses ideas. No idea is above criticism and no idea should be forcefully silenced. That use to be the hallmark of western society. If the west has anything it should be proud of, it's that.
    Geiger89
    Heheh there's a razor edge distinction between being offended and getting your head kicked in because you're black, or jewish, or turkish
    andriusd
    It's not like Varg gave anyone orders or recommendations to kick someone in the head or shoot someone.
    acglee
    Think you're over-simplifying the issue. It's not a case of someone 'just saying' something. Incitement to violence is not the same as expressing free speech. Extremist clerics who encourage muslims to carry out attacks against westerners, bigoted church groups spreading hate messages against target groups, even Charles Manson - telling those who followed him to commit acts of murder. These surely cannot be seen as harmless acts of free speech?
    Davey_meister
    I think Europe is just a bit on edge for all the other past characters who abused the "freedom of speech".
    KerNeL_KLuTcH
    exactly, just look at a lot of the German laws regarding free speech. They are definitely an attempt to erase German history circa 1933-45. Didn't they even try to make Swastikas outright illegal but couldn't since it's essentially the same thing as the Buddhist Manji, which the Buddhists used to symbolize good fortune pre-Nazism being a thing. The video game Wolfinstein 3D was banned in Germany because there are "too many swastikas" in the game, even though the objective of the game is killin' nazis.
    gavwah
    German censorship laws regarding the Nazi era are not in anyway about erasing the past. I'm assuming you've never been to Germany because there are memorials / reminders in most towns. Right wing extremism is still a very big problem in Germany, especially in the east. The laws are designed to make it more difficult for neo-nazis to replicate past hate-crimes.
    Tjommi
    Freedom of Speech is no doubt important, but you are allowed to use Your brain before you Express yourself. People have the right to be treated With dignity and respect as well. You are entitled to belive what you wish, but is really neccesary to spread hatred and beliefs that certain People don't have the right to live because they are inferior ?
    christianonbass
    Freedom of speech is more important than treating people with respect. Free speech must include offensive speech... or it means nothing!
    Kylianvb
    The freedom of speech is important because it includes ALL speech, which would even include symbolic speech, and even hate speech (which conflicts a little with later laws, but eh, w/e). I believe the idea is beautiful, it allows for a free marketplace of ideas to exist, where the dumb ones (such as racism, misogyny, etc.) get filtered out naturally. When we all realize that opinions are only that, and don't have to have any effect on you, those opinions can be ignored and dismissed for you personally. If that happens on a grand scale, those ideas lose their power. But eh, I'm just daydreaming perhaps.
    dom180
    But the dumb ones don't get filtered out, do they? Look at the evidence and you'll see it doesn't work like that. This is reality, not a daydream.
    Shaggy91
    ^This. Free Market Freedom of Speech. TJommi: People have the right to speak whatever they want, words are just sound waves, it is you who gives them credence.
    haifisch234
    His blog, his website, whatever he writes about contains such contents, so no surprise.
    District
    However much I disagree with him and his views, he still has a right to express his views, just like I have the right to express mine.
    flaphead325
    I don't consider considering jews, muslims, black people and any other person different that white inferior, as a view nor an opinion. It's just non sense and leads to may cause these people harm.
    l0ld4v3
    True enough, moronic ideology is still moronic ideology. Sucker had to change his name cause his real name was Kristian.
    Filipus
    He really deserves it, he's so absorved by his own ideals he wont listen to nobody else. He posts false information saying its FACTS and then when someone shows him he is wrong he just deletes the posts and crys "I wont talk to you!". I really like his music but he lost all my respect when he did that to me (and a lot of other people).
    The Virtuoso
    The meaning of the phrase "freedom of speech" varies from country to country guys. In Germany you cannot publicly deny the Holocaust or promote any type of Nazism. The German people chose this law, and I respect whatever the hell they decide is inappropriate in their country. I'm assuming the same thing happened to Varg, because freedom of speech to an American, like myself, is not the same everywhere.
    stereosmiles
    Freedom of speech is assuredly vital to any decent society, but it also comes with responsibility, and part of that is having the freedom and maturity to keep your gob shut sometimes, or as I like to think of it, "The volume knob also turns left".
    rmack4341
    So speaking your mind or saying what you think is okay sometimes, but if you offend too many people or are too "over the top", then it's not okay? Too bad they didn't put that in the Constitution. Should have worded it just like that too, right? Then we could have a committee on "Over the Top Speech".
    M3AK
    I assume by "the constitution" you mean the American constitution. I also assume that, if that is indeed what you were referring to, your too stupid to realise that no one involved in his case gives a shit about "the constitution" as he is being tried in France and they follow their own laws.
    The Virtuoso
    I'm assuming you're (see what I did there. It's called grammar. Perhaps you should learn to use it) too stupid to realize exactly what I was trying to point out, so let me make it clearer for your smooth brain (this isn't a compliment by the way): freedom of speech is interpreted in a variety of different ways around the world. It does not simply mean you can say whatever the hell you want, because I assume France, like most countries, has laws regulating what you can and cannot say. If you want a philosophical debate concerning your "right" to say whatever the hell you want, I would love to hear it; although, I'm not expecting much from you. I don't want to spend the time sifting through every post, but iommi600 and SOADplayer2 are the only ones making any sense to me so far. However, let's end on a positive note. Imagine someone disagrees with your definition of freedom of speech. How do you respond? Let's say I claim, "freedom of speech does not protect sedition, hate speech, fighting words, verbal abuse, and fear mongering because they incite civil unrest and generate a lot of harm. Words are not just sounds, e.g. "speech-acts." Do you think freedom of speech protects a parent viciously berating his or her child because they're just words, and when her ideas come to the proverbial marketplace they will just naturally be filtered out? I wonder why this hasn't happened with a number of sexist thoughts in English. Perhaps it's because this is a crock of shite, but I digress...
    The Virtuoso
    Oh dear. I am dreadfully sorry M3AK. I thought you were responding to me instead of that vapid piece of waste above my wikipedia citation. I apologize for the insults; I was upset and let my feelings get the best of me. Most of my points still stand though. Good day. :cheers:
    ibanez124
    If you are now arresting people for what they say, it seems the slope was slippery long before
    Skodward714
    It's amazing how a guy who makes such intelligent and atmospheric music is such an *******.
    benjixoath
    i don't like freedom of speech because it allows morons like the EDL and BNP exist.