Wes Borland: Professional Musician Is Becoming a Trade of the Past, Soon People Will Only Do It as Hobby

"Like court jesters and coal miners, something that's just not necessary anymore."

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Wes Borland: Professional Musician Is Becoming a Trade of the Past, Soon People Will Only Do It as Hobby
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Limp Bizkit guitarist Wes Borland shared his take on the state of music industry and the dominance of streaming, telling Metal Sucks (transcribed by UG):

"I'm not a big supporter of Spotify. I love the the idea of a record so much that I'm having a really hard time accepting just songs by themselves.

"Of course, I'm a dinosaur and I'm 42, and of course I'm gonna like records. I grew up in the '90s where people put out records and you listen to it from start to finish, just like you did in the '60s and '70s.

"The record was made to be listened to as one, one cohesive thought. Maybe not so much in the '80s, but I kinda feel like we're back in the '80s in some way. People are just like 'Single, single, single...'

"And my records are made with songs butt up against each other and have no change. One song will become the next song, like transition into it.

"But on Spotify that doesn't work. I'm not gonna stop making my records that way because I want them to be listened to from start to finish and be cohesive.

"If a song ends and there's silence that's because I wanted that whole section of the record to end.

"And on Spotify you listen to one of my songs and it ends in a weird way because I refuse to write singles, I refuse to write in that format. I'm having trouble accepting Spotify and that way of listening."

Wes added:

"I'm being phased out, I'm set for extinction in the next however long. And teenagers don't think that way, and neither do 20-somethings. They're into streaming.

"Like any generation being overtaken by another generation. it's hard to accept the way that they do things.

"And music for them has always been free. It's just a devaluing of music.

"I've said this in interviews before that I feel like the musician is gonna become like a trade of the past, like court jesters and coal miners, something that's just not necessary anymore.

"I think people will do it as a hobby. The whole musical middle class will be completely obliterated to where you're either Rhianna or you're one of the multitudes of any band trying to get time off your jobs so you can go play Reading and Leeds.

"And there's gonna be no one to replace any of the headliners. Once Metallica is done, who's gonna replace Metallica at European festivals? There's no one. No band is big enough.

"Everybody is trying to get Bring Me the Horizon to become the next festival headliner in UK and Europe and it's just not gonna happen. Those guys are working really hard and are really popular, but they're never gonna replace Metallica or Iron Maiden.

"Bands nowadays into the past decade have not been able to have the opportunity to become legends. Because they don't have the support, because music has been devalued."

Wes released a new album with his Big Dumb Face project on October 31 under the title of "Where Is Duke Lion? He Is Dead...". You can stream it via Spotify below.

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    hatch.da.egg
    Wes Borland: I'm not a big supporter of Spotify. UG: Wes released a new album with his Big Dumb Face project on October 31 under the title of "Where Is Duke Lion? He Is Dead...". You can stream it via Spotify below. 
    banerjee.ushnish
    Its not like Wes has a say in this matter. He prefers records but is compelled to put it on spotify because thats what the status quo of the music industry dictates. He could put out a million records but no one will buy it because the world has moved on unfortunately. It is simply not feasible to be a full-time professional musician anymore beyond a hobby that is his point. Bands, especially in the rock/metal/punk spheres are never going to reach the levels of Metallica, Iron Maiden or Offspring or the Clash or Aerosmith. Its done. Heck even a band of Lamb of God or NOFX's stature is history now, there is no way for new bands to make it at that level.
    Anjohl
    I just got into the whole music streaming thing, I absolutely love it. I just happened to search out Symphony X, a band I've ways wanted to check out, and just never really dug in, and I'm 5-6 hours deep, and just finding song after song I love. So they just made a new fan. And fans tend to spend money on their fandoms.
    h8full
    Care for any other similar recommendations?
    Anjohl
    Sure!
    h8full
    DGM and Pagan's Mind are very good. Myrath. Angra. Almah. Ayreon. Circus Maximus. Seventh Wonder. Blind Guardian. Orden Ogan. Vanden Plas. Holy Grail. Nightwish. Pyramaze. Rhapsody. Xandria.  I may have drifted a little but they all have similarities. I didnt mention any huge names such as Dream Theater as i assume you've heard of those guys
    k0stil
    Same with Thom Yorke and radiohead. He called youtube and spotify fascism yet they released their stuff on both platforms
    HugoPan
    People are still interested in listening to whole albuns. I rarely listen to just singles, and many people preffer to listen the whole experience of an album as well. some full lenghts only can show their true quallity when listened to a whole, and others show that they are not that great when listened back to back, for example, and people still enjoy doing that. what people are not interested anymore, maybe, is in having a physical product where the music can be stored, like an EP or a CD. This is something that will be just a niche or a hobby to collectors for sure. 
    parisatnite
    I'm not really agree with you, and unfortunately agree with him. Most of the young people don't see music as we see it. There's so much music available now, that the young are quite obliged to see music as single. Some artists are "hero" for one or two songs. Songs that they didn't even write etc... I don't say these young people are all the same. Some fall into the music, wanting to learn an instrument and play live. But I think it's a minority. I think it's easier to learn making EDM with your computer then learn guitar during years and years... I still listen to whole albums like you, but IMO we're a niche too. And the fact that you're in the website, you're interested in music and surely playing an instrument which is for me less common than in the 90's...
    christian.howel
    "I think it's easier to learn making EDM with your computer" Have you tried it? Cuz I have. HOO boy is it not easy to do
    Nytrogod
    Taking a production and sound engineering course right now, where I work with both old-school instrument-based music and electronic too. People just say “EDM is just a bunch of loops thrown in together”. From my experience, yes and no. Yes, easy shitty EDM is easy to make with some loops and midi patterns. Now, it is actually pretty hard to create intelligent, interesting and compelling electronic music, danceable or not. And also, electronica and instrument music are both completely different arts with different approaches to them, so there can’t be an easy comparison.
    Air_Stryker
    Precisely. Just as its easy to play cheap-ass four chord songs like AC/DC, Status Quo, Green Day and all the other bands calling it rock music, it's just as easy to make some simple MIDI loops on presets in a program like Logic and call that an EDM song. Likewise, you can spend an eternity crafting complex prog metal songs with different key changes, time signatures, scales and all that shit, you can do the same with an EDM song. It doesn't have to be basic. But basic is also accessible and generically popular, so the only EDM someone who is not a fan of EDM is likely to hear, is the generically basic shit that music aficionados would hate, because they can understand how simple it is at first glance.  Where that then falls flat, is that they do the thing where they'd assume the entire genre is that simple, and write it ALL off as being completely devoid of any talent and skill in songwriting.
    Nytrogod
    Precisely. To all the haters, I’d recommend hearing Justice’s “Cross” album. That’s EDM, and I’ve analysed songs from that album as an exercise for the course I’m taking. One, it sounds killer, simple or not, and second, it is very, very difficult to create songs like those from scratch. You really need to know what you’re doing.
    Iaraeluun
    Such a fuckin' banger of an album, anyone who likes music should be able to appreciate it - and it's not even my core genre
    dannyalcatraz
    Just listened to it based on your recommendation. Verdict: not my favorite bit of electronica, but pretty good.  Thank you!
    Anjohl
    Pretty easy actually. Sampled beats, little synth riff, loop it all, put a bass drop in the middle, it's the best techno song ever.
    henrihell
    Yep. Now program the synth to play the exact sound you're looking for. It's extremely difficult to do, even if I know a fair bit about sound shaping and what FX might be needed.
    Anjohl
    Still not an act of composition or musicianship. It's just running programs. Techno =\= music.
    joshuajrau
    Oh man You are so wrong... Go make an EDM track and put the link here. I grantee it will be the equivalent of a 12 year old recording smells like teen spirit vs the Nirvana track.  Do it I bet you cant... 
    Batmantera
    If you think EDM or technois hard to make, you have failed yourself as a musician. Or you're computer illiterate.
    henrihell
    Sure it's easy to write midi and play it through synth presets and samplers. At that point you don't know your instrument yet though. It's like being able to play steady root notes on a bass, you have 'learned to play' but only the simplest of songs. Truly mastering all different kinds of synthesizers to truly get the sound your looking for is extremely difficult. Especially FM Synthesis is something I can't in any way wrap my head around, even if I know how to operate a basic synth with a few oscillators going through an FX chain.
    joshuajrau
    Sure you can create an easy looped song.  You could also pick up a guitar and play smoke on the water on one string.  Same thing. 
    parisatnite
    I tried indeed, but I'm not really interested into it, so I gave up rapidly.  I'm not saying that EDM (or electro, etc...) is easy to create, I know that it can be difficult to find a good sample, mix it etc... But I won't never change my mind if I say that learn an instrument is more difficult. It's a life time leaning. 
    henrihell
    finding a good sample and mixing is not the hard part. creating a great sound on a synthesizer and then making an interesting loop with it is what makes it difficult, and I would argue it's harder than most instruments. Sure it's not mechanically challenging but just one synthesizer is an extremely complex environment where anything can affect everything else. Now, you probably need around 10 sounds for a song, good luck programming every synth to the exact sound you need.
    HugoPan
    It's not really what I see actually.  Of course the majority of people will listen to just singles, like it was in the so called 'good old days' of the 60's up until the early 2000's. people like you and me were always in small numbers in comparison, but these numbers never decreased for what I could see.  as I said, there are still people that enjoy listening to albuns from beginning to end, but not on buying cds that much.  I might think that, now, maybe there was a slight increase in people that listen to whole full lenghts actually, since they are free or cheap with streaming. It's just that these people are more sparsed out around the globe nowadays, I suppose. 
    parisatnite
    Ok, I get your point. Surely the streaming is a good thing because the music is easily accessible all around the world.  But I see people around me, I'm an alien. I still buy CDs and vinyls (and use streaming services too). All my friends are as Wes described. No instruments, no music knowledge, always singles etc.. They listen the new hit but never search for what the artist made on more. (I know I've got bad friends ). I'm saying I'm right, just describing what I see. But it's a good thing that people like you and me still wanting to see what's behind or further. And I'm sure (and hope) that we won't be the last !
    Mad-Mike_J83
    People are still interested - IE - us fellow musicians and music fans who are huge into it, but being on the internet and a part of such communities in this day and age it's very easy to find yourself in a little bubble of people whom all agree with you and it seems like everyone else is just like you when it's just the bubble you are into. I agree with him.  What we forget is outside of the internet music communities to which we belong, there is a whole world of people who may like a song after they hear it, but don't give it more than a thought or two, and move on with life.  These people don't give a crap if a artist lives or dies, they just like that song, and then move on.  Almost every rock legend in the past 60-70 years was hinged upon one or two hit songs: Rock Around the Clock, Jailhouse Rock, I Wanna Hold Your Hand, Stairway to Heaven, Eruption, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Crawling.....these are the people that can reference the song or know the song, but might not know the title, or might not know anythign else by that artist, when their time was up, they moved on.  I think music as a "product" is over.  Part of it is the whole B.S. the Grunge scene was twisted into by the media and fed to us in the early 1990's that you should be doing it because you want to, as an "arteeest" not as a career.  What they forgot is going to eitehr extreme is bad for the business - get a bunch of artists not interested in money and they give away music for free, of course it will be devalued.  Get a bunch of artists interested in money only and you wind up with Gene Simmons.  Everything in balance.
    parisatnite
    Hi, Mad Mike,  Sorry but I disagree concerning "Almost every rock legend in the past 60-70 years was hinged upon one or two hit songs". Did you read the story of the Beatles ? Or K. Richards' auto-biography ? They all say that they were hit by one or two songs, yes, but they were digging places where they could find the artist's vinyl. And as they were poor, and the albums were rare, they didn't have much of them, and listened and studied them till they know them by heart ! Moreover I don't think that Jimmy Page, Clapton, Hendrix, knew one or two hits. I can't believe (as gifted as they were) that they learnt alone without knowing a lot of music. Concerning the money, it's another debate for me. And indeed, there're two kind of artists, those who want it as a goal, and the other who play just for the music. 
    Mad-Mike_J83
    Your sort of missing the point - I was only talking about the mainstream - not guitarists, not other musicians, not just the poor kids.  Jut the general average white-bread run-of-the-mill listener that one day listens to The Beatles, then gets into The Byrds when Turn Turn turn comes out.  Now, the expensive albums and learning them by heart might be a byproduct of that nature - but music is a very multi-channel subject. Not guitarists. Clapton, Beck, Page - those guys all did the same thing we do on here, maybe not as such a massive scale because they had an album to learn from and not an endless wealth of "free" music to download or so it seems if you go by the freakout.  Actually, most of those guys did not get hooked on hits - they learned from old bluesmen - which from what I know, predated any sort of "hit song" thing on the level we are talking about from the 1950's onward - actually, most of those songs wee recorded by poor guys with one guitar in a studio performing their arses off with what they could scrape together.  Why do you think Zepplin has had so many blues copycat related lawsuits and why Clapton is a staple at blues jams almost anytime one is happening on a grand scale? Just a thought on the two types of artists, I wonder if sometime back then it was more possible to be both in some way - because reading interviews and watching these pillars of rock guitar's early days, they don't seem as concerned with the excesses of fame, but they also don't seem to be total business ignoramuses either.  I noticed a big lot starting out on guitar that the 90's grunge guys were all about the music, but the 80's and late 70's guys were all about the business.  It's like some kind of balance has been lost.
    William Sitnin
    Not that I necessarily disagree with him but I don't get why all these guys talk about the old days as if everyone listened exclusively to albums. They all grew up on the radio, which is effectively shitty streaming. 
    KroniX
    I WAS BORN IN THE WRONG GENERATION!!! Nooooo-ooooo-ooooo-ooooo-ooooo-ooooo!!!!! (echoes into oblivion)
    jvokes
    It's the format change that has contributed largely to this syndrome. I'm old enough to remember buying cassette tapes. In those days, just as with vinyl, you had two distinct sides to the record. Both sides had to start off with a song to grab your attention. This meant that artists had to actually arrange an album, and not just put the tracks in any old order. Of course being on tape, it was a real pain in the arse to try and skip tracks. But this was a good thing. Eventually, those tracks that you would've skipped became the slow growers that you ended up loving. Nowadays kids have no patience to listen to an album. My niece changes her musical tastes every week it seems. Listening one minute to Jason Mraz, and the next to Slipknot. the week after its all change again. I remember the first album I bought. I still have it and I still listen to it. When do you stop liking an artist? I haven't found that out yet. Fortunately I was never a fan of Lost Prophets! I have never, and I will never purchase a single. I've always bought the albums, and like Wes says, an album should be listened to in its entirety. Of course I've moved on to MP3 downloads, but wherever possible I like to own a hard copy too. 
    Guitarus Rex
    jvokes, you've really come up with the true answer. Great observations! It IS the format change. Similar to you, I remember the 8-track tape days (yeah... I'm old). I lived out in the country and there were no stores that sold music within 20 miles. Plus, I was a kid. When you have to save up for a week or two to buy ONE album, you tend to listen to it a lot. These days, free music is so plentiful (legally and illegally) that you have ready access to millions of albums... Heck, you can keep them in you pocket now!  I might have had 30 vinyl albums as a teen and maybe as many cassettes. I'm not sure how many MP3 "albums" I have now, but I feel pretty confident that I could load up my library, press play, let it run 24/7/365 and not hear the same song for a year or more.  I loved your comment about "slow growers" and think it is one of the most brilliant observations I've heard on the subject. Many music players back then had meager features for going forward or backward and you were kind of forced to listen to all of the songs. As a result, they DID tend to grow on you after repeated listenings. Once the compact disc came out, it made it easy to skip songs or even play the same one over and over. Then, when CD burners became available, you could easily make your own playlists.  Even easier when MP3s became the rage. Then phones started to play music too. Realtors have a saying: "Location, location, location." You've named the music equivalent: "Format, format, format." You mentioned that kids lack the patience to listen to an album in its entirety. I think there is a connection to the 30-album physical collection versus the millions of available "e-selections." Plus, there are so many more things vying for their attention. When I was a kid, there were three broadcast TV channels, two or three rock stations on the radio and no such thing as Internet, VCRs or cell phones. I sure as heck didn't have all of that, plus a camera, GPS, video game machine and who knows what else all available on a single device that fits in my pocket and works about anywhere. Sadly, I really think that if we would have had the technology then, we'd have ended up remarkably similar to today's kids.  Related: I saw A Perfect Circle recently and although I recognized almost every song, I had no idea what the names were. I still tend to listen to an entire album in one sitting; so it all flows from one song to the next. But, what are the song titles? No idea. Of course, that could be because they don't have sing-along choruses that repeat the song title over and over... (looking your way, Jon Bon Jovi!) *teasing*  I could go on and on, but this has already become so long that no one is going to read it anyway. Few people can be bothered to type or read more than 140 characters at a time anymore... Ha! Great observations! You've given me a lot to think about... 
    alexcorreia
    I read it :  Over abundance is great but unfortunately it ruins the that magic that existed pre internet, where you knew nothing about the artists, you would only have a few albums but you would dedicate your time to them and fall in love with the music.  It was great that bands where these mystical creatures that created music somehow. Now all these artists reveal way to much about themselves, and as we are are flawed humans, it's not fun to see that they all are as normal as we are and talk as much crap as we do, haha. 
    Guitarus Rex
    alexcorreia, thanks for reading my book-length rant! Ha!  You are spot on. You guys are finding a lot of root causes for what happened to "crash" the music industry. Same as you, I feel like the overexposure has cost the mystique and allure of a lot of music. The music industry folks should be reading this article and the resulting threads. Then again,  they'd just try to make a repeatable formula out of it. Ha!  I bought Pink Floyd's "The Wall" on vinyl in 1979 and for me, it was a magical album and band. I heard "Another Brick, Part II" on the radio along with the rest of the world, and wanted to see what else was on the album. It was a huge change for me, going from KISS to Pink Floyd. Whereas you could find TONS of pictures and articles on KISS, I had no idea of what "Floyd" even looked like or who else was in the band with "him". Ha! The mystery was part of the band's existence.  These days, I can watch Ozzy putter around in his kitchen, muttering to himself about being out of Velveeta. I even saw Maynard's (Tool) house for sale on Zillow. They had pictures of his bathroom. Although it was fun and goofy to see where MJK drops a deuce, it does lift the mask off of the band and the artist.   And yeah, they are normal people who talk just as much crap... Ha! 
    jvokes
    Thanks, it's true that over-saturation has occurred due to the internet making acquisition so much easier. Like I said, I've downloaded MP3 files myself, and at the last count I had something like 1,250 albums on my 128GB player. Now when I come to play some music its like being faced with a wall of every album ever recorded. Hmmm, which one shall I play today. The Netflix syndrome. Spend longer looking for a film to watch than actually watching one. The original point still stands though. I still like to listen to an entire album once I've selected one. On the plus side, it is easier to hear less accessible bands nowadays. I never stop looking for new music to listen to. And the internet, whilst being responsible for today's lack of patience, is also the medium which makes that possible. Back in the day you could walk into a real live music shop with real live people in it. But sadly they would only stock the music they could be sure to sell. In some dark corner would be their meagre offering to Rock and Metal. The internet is a virtual cornucopia, where you can find everything if you know where to look... 
    Anjohl
    Modern albums have too many songs. It's all padding. 8-10 songs is enough for an album
    Second Rate
    Anjohl, you are spot on. I blame the dominance of CDs and the rise of the two year album cycle for that one. 
    jvokes
    Partly true, but also, due to the fact that many people think they are entitled to listen to a bands art for free nowadays; means that the bands main source of income is touring and merchandise. Therefore they load up the album with fourteen songs (fifteen on the Japan version), and then tour for three years to pay for it.
    stondagain
    I'm 48, and just like that Progressive commercial....I'm turning into my dad.  Music will never be the same as it was when I was a kid!  In the 80s, you bought cassette tapes or vinyl; and it was Side 1 & Side 2.  (Except Reign in Blood - they had the brilliant idea to make the whole thing 35 minutes long, so it would fit on one side of a cassette.) Albums were a journey. I remember putting Maiden's "Piece of Mind" on for the first time.  Or "Diary of a Madman."   Smoke a bowl, put the needle down, and just chill for 45 minutes, listening to it for the first time.   Now, it's "First single released 45 days ahead of time!"  "Second single released 20 days ahead of time!"  "Stream the whole album for free a week before you buy it!"  And rock stars were rock stars back then, because only a select few could do what they did, or were willing to put in the WORK to do what they did.  You had to be badasses to get a record company to fork over money to finance your album & tour.   Now, kids can produce quality tracks in their bedrooms.  Hate to say it, but metal will never be the same as it was in the 80s.
    Kornholic
    I understand the combination of humor and music, especially when it's well executed like Primus, but there's really nothing of value in that Big Dumb Face record. Even the mix is horrible.
    FlightofIcarus
    Streaming is simply the new version of radio, (Albeit with far superior music selection). It's not like people didn't record songs from radio airplay onto cassette tapes, before downloading, and well before streaming. The advent of downloading/convenient storage of music is what killed record sales, not streaming. And the way I see it, albums have always been meant for the serious fans of an artist - especially for those who still like to have a physical collection, as it takes up space.
    jvokes
    The 'streaming is simply the new version of radio' point you make is an excellent observation. However, remember that when a bands song was played on radio they were paid royalties. Quite often I'm sure that is not the case with downloads and streaming. That is what killed record sales. The fact that people simply weren't buying them anymore...
    mckenna64
    I still listen to full albums pretty much exclusively, just because I'm never short of albums. I think streaming has really helped diversify my taste in music. It used to be shaped by radio/TV music channels, now I have far more sources that has provided me with new music. I can see Wes' point though it definitely does provide somewhat of an issue regarding offering too much, which can lead to just listening to individual tracks rather than really discovering an album. I guess I'm guilty of that with albums not songs. At my peak of buying physical albums 15 years ago I owned around 60-100 albums at best, I just checked my Apple Music total in iTunes and I have 2244 albums, which is 32018 songs from 1709 artist and 91 days of music. I never add individual songs to my library, so that figure is pretty insane for me.
    neo41216
    maybe its this style here that I'm not into but I got to but I got to song 4 and parts of that solo were cringe worthy. 
    Guitarus Rex
    Yep. If I had paid money for that, I'd be disappointed. Felt like he used the same drum beat pattern on songs 2-6. Thank you Spotify.  Brings up a decent point in streaming's favor: The majority of the time, purchased music isn't returnable. Once you download it or open it, you own it. You roll the dice and hit the play button.   Wes Borland's avant garde style will appeal to many, but for those who thought it might be a little more accessible, you gambled and lost $15. I remember hearing "St. Anger" for the first time and going, WTF? Still haven't tried Lulu. I know there are HUGE fans of both albums, but I still regret my St. Anger purchase. They are a GREAT band and I understand what they were doing on the album, but St. Anger just wasn't my thing and that's okay. I purchased new CDs of the band's other releases, including Hardwired (deluxe Best Buy pre-order edition) and the Live Sh*t, Binge & Purge box set - with VHS! (back in "the day!")  All of that said to say: I like having the ability to stream an album before I lay down the cash for a hard copy. Few albums make the cut; but I've probably bought 15 full-priced CDs so far this year. (Still waiting for the new Tool album...Ha!)   
    neo41216
    I hear ya on the risk of buying music before you listen. Good thing alot of bands today are streaming pre release (sound cloud, youtube etc) and of course above.. I haven't gotten into Tool in a while..  I know they didnt release anything for long time because of the lawsuit and.. I wasnt into 10,000 days. Im sure when new tool comes out I'll stream it somewhere first.
    rockstarbear
    I've have enough experience as a hardcore fan and collector where when I want to listen/watch something, it's not always guaranteed to still be available to me.  Hence, I enjoy owning a physical copy which is then always on hand.   My question for the younger folks whom don't feel this need to possess everything and are satisfied with streaming:  when a rare demo/live show/b-side is no longer to be found online to enjoy, do you move on to something else, or are you concerned with the loss of content available to you?  And second, does the free availability of streaming content make up for the loss in sound quality to you?
    XCrusherX
    Not really one of those since I still buy stuff I love (just digitally or the CD will dust in the shelf though): It's very unlikely it's absolutely nowhere to be found. You might find it on youtube, you might find it on certain Russian social media sites that have a huge library of audio. Or just a download link from some blog site. Of course you're leaving legal territory, but that will probably not stop anyone if it was that good.      Regarding quality: Spotify offers 320kbps ogg vorbis - I know many people who claim to hear the difference between that and whatever, but I'm certainly not one of them.
    sh165876
    I always listen to full albums, especially with Tool.  It's more of an experience rather than just some music.
    Wiencon
    But I think becoming the "next big thing" is worth trying Give Highly Suspect and Royal Blood a few years more and they will be that thing
    crazyhorse174
    Bollocks. Royal Blood will fade into obscurity in a couple of years. It doesn't help that they keep putting the same single out under a different name. (They're different songs? Could've fooled me...) And who the hell are Highly Suspect? I rest my case.
    Wiencon
    I'm not gonna argue, because I don't like RB that much, but their songs got a lot of radio time in my country, same for last Highly Suspect album, I thought maybe it was also the case in US but I guess not And if you don't know HS I really recommend checking them out
    crazyhorse174
    No worries. I was probably a bit harsh there (I've just read my comment back...) - I wasn't meaning any offence. I'm in the UK for info, not the US. In fairness, I don't listen to a lot of radio these days, since they binned Rock Radio up here in Scotland. 
    Spinnerweb
    We can hope it changes, things go up and down. I almost never listen to single songs, full albums are it for me.
    blackone666
    You know, there are people out there making music for free who doesn't give a shit about being professional musicians. It looks like for this kind of bellyaching w/u rawkstars the only thing that matters is playing Reading, and if you don't literally you don't matter at all. Fuck. Off. 
    Guitarus Rex
    blackone666, don't listen to the haters! You are right on point. Your final two words sum it up nicely.  Buckethead is a good example of someone who is making it work in today's conditions. The guy has put out 300+ albums to date, at least 30 this year alone. And probably two more since I started typing this response!  What Wes leaves out is that, for many, playing and releasing music is a passion. It's more than a hobby and they'll never be "rawkstars." There's plenty of ground in-between the two extremes.  Wes and Gene Simmons lament the passing of the "good old days" and fear that the mega-tours, albums sales and merchandising riches are becoming extinct. And yeah, they probably are on the path. However, the positive offset is an explosion in local live music and big-name bands/artists are playing clubs again, not just festivals and concert arenas.  Eric Johnson just did a small-club tour with him playing an acoustic guitar and accompanied by a piano and I saw Steven Wilson in a thousand-person-capacity club not long ago. Yeah, Katy Perry is still gonna command a stadium, but I'd much rather see EJ and SW in a small setting.  Wes, it's not all gloom and doom for musicians. Even the guy who made millions on buggy whip manufacturing had to adjust to the times. Besides, who wants to continue the old model where musicians were beholden to some slick record company exec? Instead of spending your loot on strippers, cars and dope *teasing*, start a music streaming service that pays musicians more than 1/10 of one cent for each stream. Beat the industry at their own game. If you have music "in you", you'll find a way to get it out. If you wanna find a way to make money, you will.  Or, just read blackone666's last words. 
    Towelie1985
    Not sure why this comment hasn't gotten more likes. There's plenty of great artists and bands who will never get the opportunity to play on a massive stage like Reading. Does the fact that they don't have this level of mass appeal make them any less of an artist? Some of the best music I've heard in the last decade is by people who are signed to small independent labels, or have cut out the middle man altogether and deliver their music straight to their audience online. Why do people have such narrow definitions of what constitutes success as a musician? Surely if you are creatively minded, a great song or piece of music is a success upon its creation. Anything that happens afterwards, such as recognition, sales, fame, critical acclaim etc, really means jack shit if you're in it for the right reasons.
    mlking99
    the man is right, but we need to evolve along or you are doomed, i do prefer vinyl but in my car a usb stick does the job, if i write lyrics i prefer pen and paper but to save them its more easy to have them on pc also. i'm a fan of old western movies, and some good ol' dirty harry stuff but the new saw movie in 3D is awesome too. but offcourse he does have a point that an album is in a specific tone with specific lyrics in a specific setting and they follow eichother up to make one big story. and otherwise you can always buy a best of... 
    cactusman1
    A devaluation of music..... Well there is a group of people that used to get really angry at things.  Seems like a good target.....  Music is extremely hard work when its not just some dumb ass programming it into a computer.
    XCrusherX
    How are "listening to whole albums" and Spotify mutually exclusive? I listen to whole albums on Spotify if they are that good. Even back in the days, people just skipped tracks if they didn't enjoy them. Financially it might be a different thing - if I really like an album, I usually buy it and listen to it on Spotify either way, I just love how convenient it is. 
    SlowJoe
    The future of musicians is touring and tee shirt sales. There will always be bands that can make a living doing that.
    franciscoaguerre
    Spotify doesnt go at all against the full album experience. Proof to that is at the end of the article you can listen to Wes new album from start to finish! If anything is a step forward from the iTunes model, where you could buy individual tracks. There people would just cherry pick what they liked instead of buying the whole album. Now there is the thing of how musicians get paid by the streaming service providers.
    straddict
    And the award for most jaded semi-famous musician goes to Wes Borland. Congratulations !
    Guitarus Rex
    Well, before we all get too tough on Wes, don't forget this wasn't a statement he issued in a press conference. He was asked a question during an interview and gave an immediate answer. We get to pick it apart for weeks, or at least until Gene Simmons says something else. To be fair, it's gotta be a tough adjustment from the pre-Napster days to where the industry is now.  And I'm not blaming Napster, they just fired the first shot. Even Napster's model was made obsolete by streaming. You don't even need storage space or a CD burner anymore, just stream it on your phone and bluetooth it to a better speaker source. Wow, I just made bluetooth a verb! Woo!  Having said all of that, yep, he's jaded. 
    jvokes
    See, there's another plus point from the modern world. Bluetooth. I can now take my entire record collection into my car. I have an hours drive to work and an hour back. That's a decent album both ways. Of course I'm sat there for five minutes trying to decide which album to play...
    GR84
    He always seems bitter, and and very proud to be out of touch with current trends.