World's Biggest Metal Label Quit Copyright Case

All Shall Perish were furious when their label tried suing fans without their permission or knowledge. But was the label right to chase copyright theft?

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The world's biggest metal label is finally calling off its hunt for people sharing the All Shall Perish album "This Is Where It Ends" - despite pursuing the fans without the band's permission.

The case was considered one of the more distasteful of its kind, with the band fighting to protect their reputation when label Nuclear Blast hired a so-called 'copyright troll' World Digital Rights to press ahead with a suit against 80 file sharers without telling the band.

"The band wasn't consulted whatsoever and none of us have ever heard of this company," manager Ryan Downey told TorrentFreak, who was apparently told the case had been called off when they finally heard about it. It hadn't.

To further complicate matters, the case revealed that World Digital Rights did not own the copyright to the All Shall Perish album, with no registration at the United States Copyright Office.

Torrent Freak informed Downey that the case was pressing ahead, which apparently infuriated the manager. It seems that he took these feelings to the label, who have now quit the case.

Copyright theft may damage music sales, but in this case, it seems the label made a huge mistake by choosing not to inform the band of their intentions. In turn, the band lost their right to decide how certain fans would perceive them.

What do you think? Did the label have good intentions, or was it an error of judgement? Share your opinion in the comments.

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    Root Beer
    All any record label cares about is money. That's why we have a bunch of shit artists polluting the airwaves who all sound the same.
    Countsluggo
    Props to All Shall Perish. they don't want their label suing their fans just for downloading their album. They have that right, and good on the record company for actually listening.
    BigVaden
    iommi600 wrote: This hunt has been going on for quite some time... apparently... *Sunglasses* This Is Where It Ends... *Yeaaaaa*
    No.
    Gortorek
    Root Beer wrote: That's why we have a bunch of shit artists polluting the airwaves who all sound the same.
    That's nuclear blast for you. It puzzles me why they haven't changed their name from 'nuclear blast' to 'beige implosion' before now.
    iommi600
    This hunt has been going on for quite some time... apparently... *Sunglasses* This Is Where It Ends... *Yeaaaaa*
    i_am_metalhead
    Copyright theft may damage music sales...
    Let me stop you right there. The only people who are hurt by pirating are the labels. Pretty much every up-and-coming band will tell people to pirate their music just so their music gets out into the public. Bands make their living touring - they barely see any royalties at all from music sales.
    bassthunder
    Abacus11 wrote: This isn't a bad publicity stunt to try and boost sales for a fledgling band. It may backfire though. We'll see.
    All Shall Perish isn't a fledgling band. They've been around for over a decade. And calling it a publicity stunt is just ****ing dumb.
    iommi600
    matt360 wrote: bugger all of you who are negging iommi600.
    Cheers mate!
    crazysam23_Atax wrote: On another note, why exactly are labels even allowed to sue people for "copyright" rights?
    Because people download songs for free and the label doesn't get a dime for months (in some cases, years) of hard working with the band in the studio. Therefore, the label can't help the band with touring, promoting, etc. Labels may be full of greedy *****s, but they're a necessary evil.
    Scorpyin
    Root Beer wrote: All any record label cares about is money. That's why we have a bunch of shit artists polluting the airwaves who all sound the same.
    agreed. with the internet out today there's no more need for labels, you don't need to pay for anything, you can advertise yourself and make your own home studio all on a home computer. record labels are just the talentless people exploiting people with talent.. and dont tell me none of my favorite bands would exist without a record label, im SO tired of that crap. it means nothing, theres literally millions of bands that have released their discography without and label support.. maybe YOUR bands wouldnt be around, but what i listen to still would be
    Root Beer
    Skuzzmo wrote: i_am_metalhead wrote: Copyright theft may damage music sales... Let me stop you right there. The only people who are hurt by pirating are the labels. Pretty much every up-and-coming band will tell people to pirate their music just so their music gets out into the public. Bands make their living touring - they barely see any royalties at all from music sales. I don't know why but I just get a feeling that this isn't as black and white as you think it is... Why? Because I've heard and read plenty about new/small bands saying that a tour costs a feking fortune to put on so they don't make that much money out of them...I'm assuming that its promoter costs, venue hire, hotels, transport, visas and whatever else that take a huge cut.... Anyway.... It would appear they don't make much money out of royalties and they don't make money out of touring....must get their thousands out of the merch.....
    Its certainly not "black and white", but nowadays, it is far more beneficial for new artists to just stream their music then it is to charge a price for them. Then, more people will hear it, and there's a greater chance of breaking through, at which point they can more effectively charge money for albums. Yes, tours do cost a lot, but again, it's worth the effort to get the word out. Bottom line is, when you're a musician, you're almost definitely going to be struggling for money, but if you want any chance of that NOT happening, you have to know how to market yourself. And that means lots of free shit for a while.
    RylanThePotato
    A Lot of people who haven't even listened to All Shall perish are hating on them. Listen to Memories of A Glass Sanctuary or Awaken The Dreamers and tell me they sound like every other Suicide Silence knock-off out there.
    Abacus11
    bassthunder wrote: Abacus11 wrote: This isn't a bad publicity stunt to try and boost sales for a fledgling band. It may backfire though. We'll see. All Shall Perish isn't a fledgling band. They've been around for over a decade. And calling it a publicity stunt is just ****ing dumb.
    Oh I see, they're a shi*ty deathcore band, that's why I've never heard of them or care. You're probably right... considering that even the best-known bands of that genre are lucky to sell 5000 albums (unless you're Suicide Silence) I'm sure they don't need exposure or sales. All Shall Perish... I mean, they're practically Maroon 5.
    iommi600
    Yea, the CSI meme sucks anyway... :/ Anyway, incoming shitstorm regarding copyright issues. I'll be around to watch.
    tonello
    Abacus11 wrote: bassthunder wrote: Abacus11 wrote: This isn't a bad publicity stunt to try and boost sales for a fledgling band. It may backfire though. We'll see. All Shall Perish isn't a fledgling band. They've been around for over a decade. And calling it a publicity stunt is just ****ing dumb. Oh I see, they're a shi*ty deathcore band, that's why I've never heard of them or care. You're probably right... considering that even the best-known bands of that genre are lucky to sell 5000 albums (unless you're Suicide Silence) I'm sure they don't need exposure or sales. All Shall Perish... I mean, they're practically Maroon 5.
    No this is a publicity stunt. The record label is trying to boost sales of this band by saying that people are downloading it's album. The label is expecting that people will check it out, and buy the record, but nobody will because it's a ****ing shitty deathcore band that no one's heard of. I'll bet you that they sound exactly the same as any other deathcore band out there. Say what you will about bands that make it big, they made it big for a reason, and obviously the fellows from All Shall Perish haven't got a reason to make it.
    Metalxorxdie
    i_am_metalhead wrote: Copyright theft may damage music sales... Let me stop you right there. The only people who are hurt by pirating are the labels. Pretty much every up-and-coming band will tell people to pirate their music just so their music gets out into the public. Bands make their living touring - they barely see any royalties at all from music sales.
    and I will stand by your comment and say that bands DO indeed just want people to listen to their stuff no matter what, and they only ask that if you do enjoy what you like, to please support them by buying the album or t-shirts or other merch (they make more money through merch anyways from what I've heard)...and it's not like the labels dont have enough money as it is...I agree that if the labels were really hurting that it would be wrong, but they also dont consider that they have made sales because people who only knew about the band only did through blogs, file sharing, etc. and decided to buy the album afterwards...other than that, they'd have never known that particular band existed
    Abacus11
    This isn't a bad publicity stunt to try and boost sales for a fledgling band. It may backfire though. We'll see.
    Chronologo
    I can't believe that a so respectable metal label as Nuclear Blast is, can have this shitty band on their lines. Thus I believe this is just marketing strategy.
    thepyromancer
    Would have been fun to see copyright trolls in every neighborhood seeking out those pesky little file sharers.I hope it takes off despite this setback.
    PsiGuy60
    Major labels are lagging behind as some of the last companies to adapt to the digital age - this much is painfully obvious. It's interesting to me to see how this turns out, when the label finally realises how important the Internet has become in marketing maybe they'll finally start to work with it instead of against it.
    Scourge441
    I love how people are using the "no one's ever heard of this band" insult. You know what band millions of people HAVE heard? Nickelback. I dislike All Shall Perish, but popularity =/= quality. I thought you all knew better.
    Chronologo
    crazysam23_Atax wrote: Chronologo wrote: I can't believe that a so respectable metal label as Nuclear Blast is, can have this shitty band on their lines. Thus I believe this is just marketing strategy.Respectable? Labels are respectable? LOL! On another note, why exactly are labels even allowed to sue people for "copyright" rights?
    I would dare to say that Nuclear Blast and Frontiers Records are among a little number of respectable labels.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Chronologo wrote: I can't believe that a so respectable metal label as Nuclear Blast is, can have this shitty band on their lines. Thus I believe this is just marketing strategy.
    Respectable? Labels are respectable? LOL! On another note, why exactly are labels even allowed to sue people for "copyright" rights?
    Skuzzmo
    i_am_metalhead wrote: Copyright theft may damage music sales... Let me stop you right there. The only people who are hurt by pirating are the labels. Pretty much every up-and-coming band will tell people to pirate their music just so their music gets out into the public. Bands make their living touring - they barely see any royalties at all from music sales.
    I don't know why but I just get a feeling that this isn't as black and white as you think it is... Why? Because I've heard and read plenty about new/small bands saying that a tour costs a feking fortune to put on so they don't make that much money out of them...I'm assuming that its promoter costs, venue hire, hotels, transport, visas and whatever else that take a huge cut.... Anyway.... It would appear they don't make much money out of royalties and they don't make money out of touring....must get their thousands out of the merch.....
    showstopperj
    Seems to me most people dont know record labels finance a shit load of touring costs for the band. No labels means bands have to pay most of cost themselfs with nominal help from management.
    smalRaptor
    I feel like they did the right thing, but you should probably talk to the people that created the music, first.
    Abacus11
    tonello wrote: Abacus11 wrote: bassthunder wrote: Abacus11 wrote: This isn't a bad publicity stunt to try and boost sales for a fledgling band. It may backfire though. We'll see. All Shall Perish isn't a fledgling band. They've been around for over a decade. And calling it a publicity stunt is just ****ing dumb. Oh I see, they're a shi*ty deathcore band, that's why I've never heard of them or care. You're probably right... considering that even the best-known bands of that genre are lucky to sell 5000 albums (unless you're Suicide Silence) I'm sure they don't need exposure or sales. All Shall Perish... I mean, they're practically Maroon 5. No this is a publicity stunt. The record label is trying to boost sales of this band by saying that people are downloading it's album. The label is expecting that people will check it out, and buy the record, but nobody will because it's a ****ing shitty deathcore band that no one's heard of. I'll bet you that they sound exactly the same as any other deathcore band out there. Say what you will about bands that make it big, they made it big for a reason, and obviously the fellows from All Shall Perish haven't got a reason to make it.
    Dude, YES! That's EXACTLY what I'm saying!
    iamgod93
    Scourge441 wrote: I love how people are using the "no one's ever heard of this band" insult. You know what band millions of people HAVE heard? Nickelback. I dislike All Shall Perish, but popularity =/= quality. I thought you all knew better.
    Nickelback > All Shall Perish