Anthrax Guitarist Talks Caggiano's Departure And His Hatred Of Dubstep

Scott Ian also talks new Anthrax album in interview.

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Guitarist Scott Ian has been talking to MTV Hive about all things Anthrax in a new interview, commenting on the new album, the recent departure of Rob Caggiano from the band, and his hatred of dubstep.

Ian claims that the band were not made aware of Caggiano's departure until they had finished tracking their recent covers EP "Anthems":

"We didn't know he was planning on leaving while we were tracking this. He was literally finishing solos in Berlin on the last days of the tour. It wasn't until after the tour ended and we started having conversations, and just to put it in a nutshell, he just needs to do his own thing at this point in time. We knew he had a record that he was going to be doing possibly. We had already told him, if you need to take a hiatus, that's fine. The best thing I can say is that he's on a mission to do his own thing at this point. And I'm certainly not going to stand in his way."

Ian talked about progress on the follow up album to last year's Worship Music, stating that the band have started working on demos: "We did demo a song while we were over in Germany. We thought might get used in this TV show. So that kind of gave us the kick in the ass to start working. We also had a song that we never finished for Worship Music because it just needed some rewriting.

"At the time, we were happy with the album and didn't think it was missing anything, but then we started reworking this track on the tour in Europe and we finished it. I'd say it's about 90 percent now. Once that one gets finished, I can say we started writing. I'm pretty sure this song will be on the next record. And I know Charlie's got a pretty good vault of ideas built up from over the last year, and I certainly have ideas. It's just a case of getting together at some point in 2013."

It also turns out that the guitarist is definitely not a fan of dubstep: "No, I can't stand any of that. Whatever this little phase of crap thats around right now, which will be gone in the next 18 months, no. I thought dubstep was reggae when I first heard that genre description. I was like, Wow, reggae's making a big comeback, huh? And then someone played me some dubstep thing. And I was like, 'What the f--k is this?' So no. I'm not a fan of that name of music. [Laughs.] Nor am I a fan of DJs or any of that stuff."

77 comments sorted by best / new / date

    jody97
    "which will be gone in the next 18 months" Amen
    MattHessing
    Dubstep originally had a really heavy reggae influence. Then the US got hold of it...
    GhostPlayground
    Dub-music was originally reggae music produced by insanely talented producers. Dub-step music is the same thing, with a much greater emphasis on electronics. Honestly 'dubstep' sounds a lot like industrial music with the producers messing around with the pitchshifting feature on garageband.
    vppark2
    Funny, now Damian Marley has worked with Skrillex, ugh...I mean it was cool hearing it but overall its utterly annoying.
    rip3149
    The bearded one has decreed that dubstep will soon be gone. What Scott says is the law, therefore I can rest assured knowing I won't have to put up with it too much longer.
    iommi600
    Dubstep has been around for a little more than the last 12 months or so. For like a decade, at least. And it also goes way beyond the "WRYBYUUFBUBUBUBU SCREEEEECH WUUBUBUB" you get from Skrillex. But ya, I'm not gonna enter this discussion again, I'm just glad someone can give an opinion about something without sounding like a stubborn idiot, so thanks, Scott. Also, new EP huh? Wasn't aware of that at all, I'm curious to see how stuff will work with Joey after Worship Music.
    MattHessing
    I find it funny that alot of metalheads dislike dubstep because it "all sounds the same". I guarantee just as many people say the same about metal. It's all about perspective, and whether or not you enjoy/appreciate the music. Maybe one day everyone will agree that nothing is original lol. I totally get the hate for dubstep, but some people give retarded reasons. The arrogance of not being able to say "I just don't like it" amuses me in the crotchal region.
    lextexrex
    What's funny is that most of my friends that listen to purely metal hate dubstep. All my friends that are electronic/dubstep producers (20+) love metal. =P
    limpidgreen345
    How about your friends that listen to purely dubstep? Or your friends that are metal producers?
    lextexrex
    I can't actually think of any friends that love "just" dubstep. They all grew up on something else. Nobody introduced them to dubstep when they were young because that just wasn't really around. At the same time, I wouldn't call any of my friends that love playing metal "producers" because they don't really go about recording it themselves. That's an important distinction because almost all people that "play" electronic music record it. That's not always the case of people that play metal. Not saying one is better than the other but that's just how it is. I've never heard of a professional electronic group go to someone else to record though this is an acceptable practice among metal bands.
    lithium_boy
    If all your metal sounds the same then your not trying to expand your music libarary. Theres tons of different crazy kinds of metal you just have to find it for yourself. I've listened to plenty of dub-step (my bandmate and brother like it) and i can confidently say that altough you do have a point, metal has alot more shades then dubstep.
    Aaron!!
    I'd say you can't really compare the two. Dubstep is subgenre of EDM, and there are just as many 'shades' of EDM as there are of metal, from trance, DnB and progressive house to say moombahton.
    iommi600
    Too bad I can't upvote you twice.
    LaughingWater2
    I really can't stand most dubstep but hating a entire genre of music would just be stupid to do. I get fed up with saying this over and over again but there is no difference between music and noise, its just perception. There is no reason for any sound not to be beautiful.
    kratos379
    It all has to do with being able to comprehend what's going on. When I listen to dubstep, I can hear a difference between songs, but it's hard for me to connect with it because I can't really comprehend the music. I love metal, but I know most people can't connect with it the same way that I can't conect with dubstep. Music often just sounds like noise to people who don't understand it.
    jordo246
    Mr Ian is as awesome as ever, still have his pick he threw in the crowd in Wolverhampton. Fucking great show !
    Braykah
    Dubstep as music has the potential to be good, but most of the time it just turns out as a repetitive, boring mess. Also, I really dislike the whole approach of most DJ's who arrange 'concerts', just going there with most of their repertoire pre-programmed and then pushing the 'play' button on their computer, free to wave their arms in the air on occasion and check their Facebook for the rest of the show. So yeah, paying huge amounts of money to go to what basically is a large discoteque is pointless to me. Still, it's the attendees' money, they're free to do whatever they like to.
    fromzero
    Writing electronic music on the computer and then packing up the lights, speakers, computers, programmers, keyboards and drum machines to set up in a big hall and "wave your arms around" is a lot like classical composition. A guy sits at a desk and writes the notes on paper (or a computer in newer cases), packing up cellos, violas, flutes, etc and then setting up so that you can wave your arms around as a conductor. Yet most metal is inspired by classical and classical fans don't usually like metal although most metal fans like some classical. Most metal fans don't like dubstep while most dubstep fans like some metal. Your parents probably won't like your music but you might like some of theirs. Can we quit complaining about things that we don't like so we can talk about things we do? It's far more productive.
    viking57
    When someone is conducting there directing a piece of music. Waving your hands "in the air like you just dont care" isnt doing anything. And critisizing things we dont like can be very productive.
    thes50
    " And then someone played me some dubstep thing. And I was like, 'What the f--k is this?' So no. I'm not a fan of that name of music. [Laughs.] Nor am I a fan of DJs or any of that stuff." Grouping multiple genres together, judging them by one track and then declaring that all that stuff is bad. Sounds reasonable.
    thes50
    I like how anyone who presents a comment which is even slightly negative towards the guy in the article all the br00tal metalz kids start down-voting.
    MR.ParKs
    Dude, he's probably heard it elsewhere. Dubstep and electronic music is everywhere, so it's not like he's only ever heard one dupstep song.
    viking57
    DUDE he was saying he doesn't like dubstep or Djs he wasnt grouping them together. Music with djs is being played almost anywhere you go so he has listen to both and was saying he doesnt like either
    Freddiez79
    I too have a Scott Ian pick I got at a show in Dallas. Saw them with death angel and testament. The best show I have ever seen.
    Maxwell2112
    I tried to get into dubstep but it just wasn't doing it for me. I checked out the big guys (Rusko, EOTO, Deadmau5) and the local acts here in MN. It's just not my bag, not sure if it's cause I'm not huge into electronic music or if it's because I don't like all the kids loaded on molly. To each their own though.
    Michael Stewart
    I have his pick too. Caught it in mid air by accident at the House of Blues in Myrtle Beach. Just stuck my hand up and there it landed.
    PAsistem
    I can't decide if I wanna say something negative about dubstep and get likes or something positive about dubstep and get dislikes
    vinnym86
    "Whatever this little phase of crap thats around right now, which will be gone in the next 18 months, no." i hate dubstep, too, Scott, but aren't those words what you guys screamed against back in the 80's?
    milliorn
    Dubstep sounds like two dial-up modems doing a porno...if your into that.
    d von
    go Scott! I to have an hatred for DJ's. Music is made by instruments. Computations are made by computers. A DJ is simply nothing more than some boring programmer writing some simple webpage or a Iphone app that makes farting noises.
    thes50
    Have you ever tried to make electronic music? It isn't simply a case of pressing a button and it goes 'WUUUUUB'. Time and effort goes into it, exactly the same as music made by traditional musical instruments.
    shreddymcshred
    It is very difficult to do well. Most people don't make it past learning how to design instruments well, much less making music.
    opusthecat
    this guy says. I'm not a fan of dubsteb nor a lot of electronica but it's EXTREMELY tough to create. And there's a huge chasm (just like in every music genre) of people who think they can create good electronica and those who actually can with talent. You may be humbled if you tried thinking it's just "so easy".
    Rule Britannia
    Dubstep is more music than heavy metal. bleugh. "it'll be gone in 18 months" it's been around for a longgg time, it's fair to say that it's become popularised in the last couple of years or so. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
    Jazz1992
    "Dubstep is more music than heavy metal." Please tell me you're trolling.
    Mephysteaux
    I remember reading something Scott said a few months ago, about how Anthrax wouldn't have any more lineup changes, and the whole band would call it quits if any member left. Hope that isn't the case.
    captainsnazz
    Sounds like a bit of a dick, to be honest.
    derek8520
    Yeah, i'd have hoped a professional musician would have a more open mind when it comes to other genres of music. Also, before anyone comes back with the usual "dubstep isn't music" pish, yes it is.
    jordo246
    Scott Ian's favourite musicians are public enemy, how much more open minded do you want him to be
    captainsnazz
    Preferably open minded enough to not make silly comments like that one, although I do see your point. Maybe he's just a grumpy old man now.
    Second Rate
    And lord knows that you, Mr. Open Minded, have NEVER said "i don't care for genre X." Oh no, never. Open minded means you are willing to give anything at least one chance, it doesn't mean you have to like everything you hear. I'd have hoped that someone as open minded as you would have been more tolerant of Mr. Ian's opinion.
    derek8520
    The guy said "I'm not a fan of that name of music" after hearing one song. Basing your opinion on an entire genre after hearing a single song is not being open minded, it's being a dick.
    jrcsgtpeppers
    It's funny cuz dubstep is a genre that people aren't making popular right now. It's just the wrong term. I'm 100% positive people hate music that isn't dubstep thinking its dubstep just to jump on the I hate dubstep bandwagon. It's a bunch of ignorance and stupidity. This is guy is ignorant and his opinion doesn't matter.
    maowcat
    What a cock, his music sucks anyways but it's close minded ass holes like this pole smoker that give metal heads a bad name. I primarily listen to rock/metal but i have no problem with listening to electronic music producers and i do like a select few, most of it's crap but in all honesty most music put out is crap, you just have to search. You listen to skrillex and call dubstep crap, no shit, try a little harder moron. I don't care if you aren't prone to electronic music, but saying it isn't music at all is absolute stupidity. I think death/black metal is ****ing crap (and believe me i've listened to enough of it) but do i say it's not music? No, i simply don't like it.
    saint_berzerker
    Coming from a guy that likes "rap" and "hip-hop", his complaints against this electronic music is really hypocritical in my opinion. It's the same damn thing.
    Vicryl 2.0
    ever heard of The Roots? electronic and hip-hop is not the same thing. i dont think he hates electronic music in general, he collaborated with Tricky.. he just hates dubstep.
    viking57
    YES.dubstep is the same thing as metal(im asuming thats what you mean) even though they are completley different genres and have totally differenrt sounds and hes a hypoctie becuse he plays metal but doesnt like dubstep and they are the same thing. Wtf?
    Agent51
    * not sure where my text went in the above post, but I said: That's the only cool dubstep video I've ever seen (well, and her related videos), and only because that violin chick is pretty cool. I like "out of place" stuff like that in music, when done right. Take away the violin and there's no point in watching the video, unless you want to see a cute, violin-less chick jumping around in the snow to crappy music.
    Agent51
    Ed Hardy makes Bikinis? Is that so the Ed Hardy D.B.s can act like chicks even more, or so chicks can act like D.B.s in addition to the Ed Hardy D.B.s?
    opusthecat
    You're exactly right. Normally I hate country but just found a guy (The White Buffalo) who actually stands out from the crowd and I love it. There's always something good in every genre if people open their mind and search like you said.
    viking57
    While i think country has been ruined latley by taylor swift and that Nashville show. I think they suck but i love Jonny Cash and Hank WIlliams 1+2
    zaiura
    I hear enough dubstep on TV commercials now. That's way more than I'm interested in and we're all allowed our various opinions. I don't understand why anyone gets butthurt that someone else with a position of status in one music community isn't interested in another genre/community.