Hit The Lights: Shaun Morgan 'Surrounded By Morons, So There's Fodder For Songwriting'

Seether frontman Shaun Morgan discussed "Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray".

Hit The Lights: Shaun Morgan 'Surrounded By Morons, So There's Fodder For Songwriting'
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Whichever walk of life you emanate from it's fair to say you'll have issues, whether they be major or minor. Some take those negative feelings and turn them into positive creations, be it a song, a film, a book, and so forth. When it comes to artists, sometimes their darkest hour can result in their most creatively fruitful period. Seether frontman / lyricist Shaun Morgan is no different, channelling these emotions into his compositions with hopes for the best. Due for issue on May 17th, 2011 courtesy of Wind-Up Records, "Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray" is Seether's fifth studio album. Cut at Blackbird Studios in Nashville, Tennessee, the album was produced by Brendan O'Brien (whose CV includes weighty names like AC/DC, Rage Against The Machine and Pearl Jam). As ever, the lyrics deal with personal issues being confronted by frontman Shaun Morgan. On this occasion, the lead vocalist / rhythm guitarist has opted to mainly use clean vocals, tracks like "Desire For Need" being notable exceptions. Other compositions include the Muse-influenced "Roses" and "Tonight", which almost didn't make it onto the album. With only two studio days left, Shaun had completely rewritten the lyrics and shown it to all involved. All involved agreed the track should be recorded. "Here And Now", meanwhile, incorporates the full-length's title into its lyrics. Charting at position seventy-four on the Billboard Hot 100, inaugural single "Country Song" was released on March 8th and April 4th in North America and the United Kingdom respectively. A deluxe edition version of "Holding Onto Strings Better Left to Fray" will include the bonus songs "Dead Seeds", "Yeah", "Nobody" and "Effigy". If pre-ordered through iTunes, the deluxe edition also boasts "Here and Now (Deconstructed)". On April 22nd at 20:25 GMT, Seether's management telephoned Hit The Lights' Robert Gray. The management connected him to frontman Shaun Morgan to discuss "Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray". Shaun Morgan: Hello? UG: Hello. How are you Shaun? I'm very good. How are you? I'm doing well. Would it be ok if we began the interview? Yeah. Could you provide some background information on 'Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray'? Writing its tracks, and what Seether wished to achieve this time around? Yeah. This time we worked with Brendan O'Brien, and he's by far the best producer we've ever worked with as far as how he works, and as far as how he works with us and how we work for him. He works fast and he works productively, and overall it was a great experience. We recorded the album in three different batches in blocks of five songs at a time, and then each time we'd recorded a block of five we'd go back to the drawing board and try to write better songs than the previous five. Basically we were just trying to better ourselves every time we went back to the studio. We ended up recording it in Nashville at Blackbird Studios, so that was cool because it was a very Beatles-themed studio. That gave everyone inspiration, coming into the studio and then having John Lennon on the wall. It was a good way to start. Other than that, I think we worked pretty hard on this album. With this album, every song found its sound. I'm really proud of this one.

"By no means will I ever write anything that's even remotely as good as a Beatles song."

Are The Beatles a musical influence? Yeah. Growing up I was a huge Beatles fan, and I still am a huge Beatles fan. I think they did pretty much everything when it comes to music; they did blues, they did rock, they did country, they did pop - they basically covered all the bases. I think The Beatles wrote the best songs we'll ever hear. Certainly any time I need to listen to something that's inspiring, I definitely listen to The Beatles. I preferred John Lennon's style of writing; I loved his solo albums. There's certainly a wealth of songs to pick from to gain inspiration. By no means will I ever be comparable to a band like that or will I ever write anything that's even remotely as good as a Beatles song, but certainly their inspiration makes my songwriting better. How did Brendan O'Brien come to produce? I told my manager that I would like to speak with Brendan. Luckily I was in L.A. at the time and so was he, and he said yes, that he would have a meeting with me. We met in a coffee shop, and we sat down for about an hour. We spoke; I said "We'd like you to produce the album", and he said he would love to work on the album. He basically told me to just start sending him demos. I got back in my car, phoned the band and told them we got Brendan O'Brien, and nobody believed me. Eventually I guess we were in Nashville in February or March 2010, and we were doing some recording sessions for some tracks. He just basically took every song that we had and improved them - it just took us to the next level. As a good producer, I don't think you're supposed to write songs and I don't think you're supposed to change things completely from what they are. As a good producer, you're supposed to bring the best out of a band and that's what Brendan did. How did Brendan attempt to draw the best out of Seether? We'd basically sit there and work on a song, and he'd say "Well, that part of the song is great. Maybe we can make the next part of the song a little more interesting by maybe changing the guitar line" or vice versa. He tried to make it as interesting as possible for the listener. He will find something that he likes about a song and he'll keep that element, and then he'll just expand upon that element. That's really his approach to producing. It was really interesting because we even started paying attention to the way we write songs because of that. We would start off writing a song in a certain way, and then ask Brendan for his input. We started completely adapting our songwriting process to accomodate what Brendan was gonna say, which ultimately I think made us write better songs as well. He can sing, he can play guitar, he can play drums. He can do anything; he'll sit down and work on any instrument with you. That's the most important part of being a producer, is to have that really good musical ear and be able to keep the integrity of a song, but make it more interesting. When Seether decides to record a follow-up to 'Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray', will Brendan O'Brien definitely be on the list of potential producers to work with? Yeah, without a doubt. As far as we're concerned, we've found the producer we want to work with. I pray we'll never have to find somebody else. I'm sure he really had a good time working with us as much as we had a good time working with him, so I think next time it won't even be the question of finding a producer. It'll just be making sure that he's available. On 'Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray''s tracks, you generally don't scream as much as you did in the past. Is there a reason for that musical shift? Well, yeah. I didn't feel like I wanted to scream as much on this album. I wrote a bunch of songs that were real heavy and real screamy, but I just didn't feel like they would fit this album - it wasn't what I wanted to put out this time. I'm not gonna throw in screams just for the sake of having them. It just felt like it wasn't appropriate this time. There's certainly parts on the album where there's one or two good screams on there, but the whole point of this wasn't to make one of those albums. I was trying to express myself by not having to get juvenile with it so there's almost no screaming, but having said that, the next album might just be full of it. I can never tell. It just so happens that this time screaming wasn't generally the right approach. Have you felt any pressure to include screams in Seether songs in the past? No, not personally. I certainly felt like I was angry and that was the only way I could express it. It was more of a therapy rather than trying to figure out a way... It's just one of those things; you can scream or you can use words, and on this album I wanted to use words rather than just resort to the familiarity of screaming because as much as I enjoy doing it, it wasn't gonna serve a purpose. On past Seether albums I only screamed where I felt they were necessary.

"With this album, every song found its sound. I'm really proud of this one."

In terms of clean vocals, who are your influences? First of all, I'd say Kurt Cobain was a bigger source than the whole Seattle scene. Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, that whole crowd. I like any band that I believe is melodic and is good at it; I'm a huge Tool fan, I love the Deftones. I'm quite a fan of female singers actually because I feel what they're doing melodically. There isn't necessarily one particular person I listen to all the time now, but I would say I'm pretty much influenced by everyone around me and anyone who might sing in any band in any kind of musical scene. Someone might play me a pop song, but then again it could be a Slipknot track that I like the vocals on. If any band is passionate in the vocals, then I might be a fan of it. Are there certain female singers you enjoy? PJ Harvey I would say is probably my favourite. There's many songs though where I just find the female vocals to be really quite soothing, and just really creative. You said how you felt as though the songs on 'Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray' didn't call for screaming. How did you compliment the generally more clean singing on the album with your guitar playing? Basically the vocals come last - I always write the guitar parts first. I try to fit a vocal to whatever the music is, and I usually try to sense the emotion of the music and then incorporate the lyrics and the melody into that. My guitar playing hasn't necessarily changed, but I think the vocals might've changed for the playing because again, the riffs and the music come first. Sometimes a vocal idea might come in, but sometimes I'll just work on music for a couple of weeks and not have any vocal ideas. I remember as a kid I used to write songs and just on the spot write the vocal parts, but these days I just focus on the music first. I focus on making the guitar work as interesting as possible before I even attempt a vocal. It's a little easier to put a good vocal over some good music than it is to put some good music over a good vocal. Is there a certain place 'Holding Onto Strings Better Left to Fray' is coming from? I don't know if there's one particular place, but again it draws from my experience. It's all really based on things I've gone through and things I have to get out of my system. Again, there's not really any particular one place. I guess the idea of this album was to understand that just because you're afraid of being alone, that doesn't make it ok to stick around for the sake of it. I've been in that situation with friends and girlfriends - people I've been in relationships with - where it's been apparent from the start that you just hang onto them. You can't really tell why, but you hang onto them anyway. It's just a parasitic relationship for everybody involved. So singing these tracks was a cathartic experience? Yeah. Every time I record an album, it's certainly a therapeutic process. It's a way to get things out of my system. If I didn't have that outlet, then I'd find it more difficult to live a somewhat more regular life. Sometimes it's difficult dealing with the issues I deal with as far as songs go though, so yeah, recording an album is always therapeutic. It saves me $140 a week on counselling (laughs). Do you ever find it difficult to draw on issues to write about, or are there plenty of things you can write about? Thankfully I've surrounded myself - I guess my entire life - by a bunch of morons, so there's always fodder for songwriting. I don't think that one song ever deals with any situation enough. I think sometimes situations that inspired a song requires more than one song, if it's that much of an influential thing. To capitalise on that in a song, one can never deal with it in one take. I just keep mining issues that I have from thirty-two years of life. Sometimes the issues are more recent and sometimes they're a little older, but thank God I haven't run out of things yet. In what ways is 'Holding Onto Strings Better Left to Fray' a definite progression from 'Finding Beauty in Negative Spaces'? I would say we approached this one more melodically than the previous one. I think we took a really long, hard look at the songs, and we worked on each song until we thought it was something that was superior to anything else we'd done. The whole focus on this album was to outdo the last one - and I think we do every time - but I think really there is just no real reason for why it's better than the last one. By the same token though, a lot of the time we wanted to make the guitars a little bit more heavy. You have the juxtaposition of a melodic vocal line and a heavy guitar, and I think that was the focus here. I love heavy music, but Brendan is the kind of producer who likes to have melodic vocals over heavy music. That was our only approach with this one, was to be a little bit more clear with the vocals and think a little bit more out of the box. Would you say there is a balance between delving into new musical territory but not making a complete 180 degrees shift? I think with any album you do you have to be creative, but you also have to retain the elements of whatever first attracted people to your band. Having said that, every time you write a song there's still your band's vibe on the song. Whichever people were attracted to the band in the first place, they should hopefully be along for the ride. You experiment and you try to broaden old fans' horizons, and you try to attract new fans. It's one of those things. I think we've definitely managed to maintain a balance. I was quite mindful of that as well writing the album, because again, you don't want to alienate people and you don't want them to think of the band as recycling older stuff. I would say that we covered all the bases on the album.

"This time we worked with Brendan O'Brien, and he's by far the best producer we've ever worked with."

You've said how the guitars are heavier on 'Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray'. Is there anything else you'd say about the guitars on the album, compared to previous Seether albums? Overall, I think the idea was to make the guitars heavy and interesting, and then from there add vocals to the songs. I think we spent a lot of time on the sound finding the right balances, and finding the right tone for each song. When we found a certain sound that we liked, we kept that in some cases - it didn't necessarily change with every song. If it wasn't broken, we didn't fix it. If we found something that we liked and we all agreed that it was the best sound, then we kept that. From the drum beat to the bass line to the guitar work to the vocals, the main focus was how to keep the listener interested. That's why it took so long as well. One of your favourite tracks on 'Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray' - "Tonight" - nearly didn't make it onto the album. Yeah. We had basically finished recording the album, and had two studio days left to do overdubs and so on to make sure everything was polished. I went ahead and showed the band the song on the way to the studio and everyone freaked out, so I went into the studio and laid down guitars and vocals for it. We brought the drums back into the studio and laid down drums - we recorded it over those two days. I'm glad it's on there; I think it's a hopeful song and I think it's a positive song. Sometimes songs go unnoticed and fall through the cracks during the process, and you become overwhelmed by it. This one was very much in danger of that happening, so I'm glad it was saved at the eleventh hour. Brendan's the kind of guy that likes to record strong material, even if it means a long day in the studio or whatever. A Muse-influenced track features on the album too, titled "Roses". I'm a Muse fan, and I think there's certainly a small ode to Muse on that song musically. I don't know whether or not vocally I could ever do anything as great as they do. When you try to tap into an influence like Muse, I think it makes a song more interesting. Why did Seether decide to title 'Holding Onto Strings Better Left To Fray' after lyrics from the track "Here And Now"? Actually, the lyrics from "Here And Now" are taken from the album title. I'd already come up with the album title about a year ago. I just took the title and incorporated it into the lyrics. I've never done that before, so that was interesting. I really liked the way the title sounded, so incorporated it into "Here And Now" because of that. What do you feel the future holds for Seether? What does the band hope to achieve in the future? That's an interesting question, because you never really know man. We hope that with every album we become more successful, and that the fanbase grows that much more. We don't really have any lofty goals or anything; we don't wanna win Grammies or anything like that. We want to keep doing this as long as we can. There's not a better job in the world, so long as we keep it... Thanks for speaking to me Shaun. No problem man. Thank you very much. I hope Seether's new album does well. All the best. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Interview by Robert Gray Ultimate-Guitar.Com 2011

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    Grungy2425
    Probably the planets biggest Cobain wannabe... Wannabe? Naw im surprised this guy hasn't stolen his social security number... To all the morons defending this guy on the shirt, do you really think hes wearing it because hes a Freddy Kruger fan? Naw think again you dolt. If hes not covering every single note Cobain ever played on a guitar hes trying to act like him on stage,in videos, and in interviews like this one for example.. Really the Beatles? wait what!! John Lennon is your hero? Gee I wonder who else idolized Lennon... Can this guy just stfu already... Seether is a garbage of a band btw.
    shikkaka
    slaveskinJACKET wrote: shikkaka wrote: slaveskinJACKET wrote: Ibeanez wrote: slaveskinJACKET wrote: Ibeanez wrote: And when someone says they are "surrounded by morons" more likely the moron is surrounded. You haven't met very many people, have you? Being that you're 12, I assume that to be true. Well, I was smarter at 12 than you'll ever be. And yes occasionally I meet someone like you who proves my original statement to be accurate. I think a blind hope that mankind as a whole aren't blubbering idiots is more of an adolescent viewpoint that a reality-based assumption that the majority of bipedal primates on this planet are dimwitted, at the very least. If you need a point of reference, look at popular media charts. Look at whatever charts you want; movie sales, music sales, television ratings, YouTube views, whatever you want. Now, I realize that there are exceptions, but if the majority of people were non-morons, would the world even be aware of the existence of Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, or the like? Would Saw have had 5 sequels in a non-retarded world? Would Survivor or Big Brother, or even worse, Keeping up with the Kardashians even have existed, let alone prosper? I'm not saying you're an idiot. I'm just saying most of the people you know probably are. I don't think the existence of those things proves people are morons. People are inherently interested in drama and violence, as well as gossip (which is more or less drama) and we are all guilty of escapism every now and then. Am I saying intelligent people always watch the shows you mentioned? no. I am just saying that their existence and popularity does not prove the general stupidity of the human race. As for calling people morons, I dont think people who are quick to judge are often people who make large generalization and have too high opinions of themselves. I think you threw an extra "don't" in there; completely changed the meaning of the last paragraph. And I agree that their existence proves nothing. But their extreme popularity does, at least to me. And I'm not saying that everyone is stupid or that I assume someone's intellect before I familiarize myself with them. I just think it's not that hard to find an idiot, and that it sometimes feels like they dominate society. I also don't think I'm any better than anyone else. I've got my fair share of stupid in me. And I may not partake in those pop stars' 'music' or the reality TV stars' personal lives (or TV shows, for that matter), but I enjoy spending time staring at a screen playing pretty mindless video games. I just think that as long as it's cool to be stupid in growing up, and reading and having a want to learn is "for fags", each day, the imaginary future Mike Judge dreamed up in Idiocracy becomes closer to a plausible possibility. Or maybe it's just the people I know.
    I am sensing you got the point of what I was trying to say. As long as people are committed to being intelligent, or productive at the least, it doesn't matter what shows are popular or how stupid they are. I got a job right out of college as an engineer and I am totally guilty of watching a shot of love with tila tequila (she is hot!) and also playing mindless video games...
    Gyoung1991
    shikkaka wrote: slaveskinJACKET wrote: Ibeanez wrote: slaveskinJACKET wrote: Ibeanez wrote: And when someone says they are "surrounded by morons" more likely the moron is surrounded. You haven't met very many people, have you? Being that you're 12, I assume that to be true. Well, I was smarter at 12 than you'll ever be. And yes occasionally I meet someone like you who proves my original statement to be accurate. I think a blind hope that mankind as a whole aren't blubbering idiots is more of an adolescent viewpoint that a reality-based assumption that the majority of bipedal primates on this planet are dimwitted, at the very least. If you need a point of reference, look at popular media charts. Look at whatever charts you want; movie sales, music sales, television ratings, YouTube views, whatever you want. Now, I realize that there are exceptions, but if the majority of people were non-morons, would the world even be aware of the existence of Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, or the like? Would Saw have had 5 sequels in a non-retarded world? Would Survivor or Big Brother, or even worse, Keeping up with the Kardashians even have existed, let alone prosper? I'm not saying you're an idiot. I'm just saying most of the people you know probably are. I don't think the existence of those things proves people are morons. People are inherently interested in drama and violence, as well as gossip (which is more or less drama) and we are all guilty of escapism every now and then. Am I saying intelligent people always watch the shows you mentioned? no. I am just saying that their existence and popularity does not prove the general stupidity of the human race. As for calling people morons, I dont think people who are quick to judge are often people who make large generalization and have too high opinions of themselves.
    Galgawine
    never heard of this guy or "seether". ultimate guitar has a LOT of slow news days
    BloodRedSkies
    you are obviously 12 if you think everyone on the planet is an idiot or maybe you're just an idiot yourself
    boycew02
    Ibeanez wrote: And when someone says they are "surrounded by morons" more likely the moron is surrounded.
    I actually like Seether but I agree with this and to be honest it's the first thing I thought when I read the article title. Shaun Morgan has got a bit of an attitude on him.
    blinkSumNOFX
    slaveskinJACKET wrote: harpcicle wrote: The guy is the biggest Cobain wannabe on the planet, to the point that he's covered over half of Nirvana's repertoire and constantly wears versions of Kurt's famous red and black jumper. Could be a great Nirvana tribute act if he insists on modelling himself that much on the guy All of that taken into consideration, when they play Nirvana, it's usually more interesting than when they play Seether. They can do a mean Nirvana. But to appreciate Kurt Cobain for his singing, especially when compared to Chris Cornell, Layne Staley, and Scott Weiland is just crazy. Appreciate his weird songwriting, or his ability to use limited voice to reach such a level of infamy, but his singing to be what you take away from it, that's beyond me. But you can tell when you hear him sing that Kurt Cobain is the biggest influence on his voice. Also, Stone Temple Pilots are not from Seattle. They are from L.A.
    I kind of understand what you mean, hes not nearly as polished of singer as his fellow grunge peers like Cornell or Vedder, but to say he isn't great, in my opinion, just makes you sound misinformed. totally not being a troll, sorry if it sounds like that. but yeah you should listen to Where Did You Sleep Last Night off their unplugged album... I get the chills everytime i hear him towards the end now to shift gears and be a troll. seether is one of the worst bands around today. also this guy is an exact lookalike of a combination kurt cobain and jack black
    killer_penguin
    Blah blah argue argue.. I'm much more of a Seether fan than a Nirvana fan.. Seether in my opinion are more musically accomplished than Nirvana.. Shaun and Pat (it's a shame he left) are musical geniuses.. If you've seen more than one live show you'll know what I'm talking about.. I've never seen them play any of their songs the same ever.. Back on topic.. New album is good.. A bit too ballady for my taste though.. I'd like to see another album like "Fragile" from them
    institutions
    He's trying to be like Cobain? Let's hope he blows his head off soon, then, so he'll stop making terrible music. The difference is that when Cobain died, they *****d the shit out of his name and music. When Shaun dies, everyone will forget about his music. trollface.jpg
    SumFX
    I have not heard much from this band but what i have heard i havn't like. More on topic this guy seems really nice and comes across as somewhat intelligent.
    Ibeanez wrote: Aww, another troubled 'artist' using music as therapy. How special. And we've never seen that before. And when someone says they are "surrounded by morons" more likely the moron is surrounded.
    Yes it is cliche to say "Music is my therapy" but doesn't making music make you feel good? I know when i write a song it makes me feel better/relaxed and no doubt if i were in Shauns shoes i would say something similar to what he said. rant/
    peterrjc
    malcolmcox wrote: harpcicle wrote: The guy is the biggest Cobain wannabe on the planet, to the point that he's covered over half of Nirvana's repertoire and constantly wears versions of Kurt's famous red and black jumper. Could be a great Nirvana tribute act if he insists on modelling himself that much on the guy You realize he only wore that sweater for one photo shoot, right? And who the hell are you to judge someone for wearing a certain shirt? Cobain didn't patent red and black striped sweaters.
    to be honest if we're saying that he copies Cobain with wearing red and black striped jumpers then we can also say that Cobain copies Dennis the Menace seeing as Dennis the Menace is far older than Kurt Cobain. Just thought I'd point out that neither kurt or shaun were the first to wear red and black striped jumpers....i'm not even sure if dennis the menace was first either.....anywho I appear to be rambling Main points of this comment: Dennis the menace wore red and black stripes before kurt so if shaun is copying kurt then kurt is copying dennis (yes i'm clearly trolling here ) As for music wise I haven't listened to a lot of Seether and i've personally stopped listening to a lot of nirvana, no real reason i just stopped
    K&F
    RCKnMTL10 wrote: harpcicle wrote: The guy is the biggest Cobain wannabe on the planet, to the point that he's covered over half of Nirvana's repertoire and constantly wears versions of Kurt's famous red and black jumper. Could be a great Nirvana tribute act if he insists on modelling himself that much on the guy Seether started out as a Nirvana cover band.
    No, they were a Metallica cover band.
    6StringBlazer
    I was really looking forward to this album. I dig the heavier songs on the album but I was kind of disappointed. I was hoping HOTSBLTF would be a lot like K&E in the sense of having a lot of fun riffs, but it felt like everything was still too soft. I still love Seether though, Shaun is a real awesome dude!
    Shawn1379
    6StringBlazer wrote: I was really looking forward to this album. I dig the heavier songs on the album but I was kind of disappointed. I was hoping HOTSBLTF would be a lot like K&E in the sense of having a lot of fun riffs, but it felt like everything was still too soft.
    Yeah, I just wrote a review, and I think I accidentally fangasmed a bit too much. Now that you mention it, I sort of feel the same way as you. It was just a tad too soft for a Seether album. Overall, I do still think it was a great album, but I think I might have overstated it a bit in my review... In the end, I gave it an 8/10 though, which I think is pretty fair. I hope I don't get flamed too much by my fellow UGers.
    kennedys1
    I've met Shaun numerous times and he has always been a really cool guy. Always been one of the guys who will hang out and talk to you till they all have to leave on to the next town. Always been a Seether fan and probly always will. They have kind of gone a little more ballad-ish in their recent albums but like he said in the interview, he's trying to do new things, which I can totally respect. Hope to hear alot more from these guys. Love em!
    Hamham272
    People are smart who fight over the internet, right? Well done on turning a good point into half the viewers of this site laughing at you Ibeanez. OT, I'm gunna give this album a try, FBINS just didn't live up to what I was looking for in a Seether album, that being said I don't think they'll ever come close to Karma and Effect since their lead guitarist left.
    BrianDeuel
    blinkSumNOFX wrote: now to shift gears and be a troll. seether is one of the worst bands around today. also this guy is an exact lookalike of a combination kurt cobain and jack black
    Heh... I always thought that Gavin Rosandale looked like the lovechild of Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder back in the day. When Kurt died, the industry rushed right out and found a replacement that looked like both of those guys mixed together...
    BrianDeuel
    shikkaka wrote: slaveskinJACKET wrote: Ibeanez wrote: slaveskinJACKET wrote: Ibeanez wrote: And when someone says they are "surrounded by morons" more likely the moron is surrounded. You haven't met very many people, have you? Being that you're 12, I assume that to be true. Well, I was smarter at 12 than you'll ever be. And yes occasionally I meet someone like you who proves my original statement to be accurate. I think a blind hope that mankind as a whole aren't blubbering idiots is more of an adolescent viewpoint that a reality-based assumption that the majority of bipedal primates on this planet are dimwitted, at the very least. If you need a point of reference, look at popular media charts. Look at whatever charts you want; movie sales, music sales, television ratings, YouTube views, whatever you want. Now, I realize that there are exceptions, but if the majority of people were non-morons, would the world even be aware of the existence of Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, or the like? Would Saw have had 5 sequels in a non-retarded world? Would Survivor or Big Brother, or even worse, Keeping up with the Kardashians even have existed, let alone prosper? I'm not saying you're an idiot. I'm just saying most of the people you know probably are. I don't think the existence of those things proves people are morons. People are inherently interested in drama and violence, as well as gossip (which is more or less drama) and we are all guilty of escapism every now and then. Am I saying intelligent people always watch the shows you mentioned? no. I am just saying that their existence and popularity does not prove the general stupidity of the human race. As for calling people morons, I dont think people who are quick to judge are often people who make large generalization and have too high opinions of themselves.
    You make a good point in your final analysis. Those who broadcast their disgust at "morons" or "idiots" usually fall into two types of people: either they have a high opinion of themselves, yet are very insecure at the same time and must let everybody know how they feel, or they're trying to sell something; say, an image. I think many musicians fall into the latter category. As I know nothing about Seether, I cannot intelligently form my own opinion about Shawn. It could be a little of both, really. Then we have the truly self-confident- those that are indifferent to how the world and its events/drama affects others and don't broadcast their feelings or opinions to anybody. They tend to shrug off all of this stuff and just do what they do. In the music world, to cite an example, these are the people that will tell a story about how a song or album was made, how the band got together, etc., but will only address personal issues and philosophies that don't involve ego or blatant emotion. They keep all of that stuff between themselves and their families or other close ones. Much respect to them.
    themetalbucket
    BrianDeuel wrote: blinkSumNOFX wrote: now to shift gears and be a troll. seether is one of the worst bands around today. also this guy is an exact lookalike of a combination kurt cobain and jack black Heh... I always thought that Gavin Rosandale looked like the lovechild of Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder back in the day. When Kurt died, the industry rushed right out and found a replacement that looked like both of those guys mixed together...
    Looking at his picture immediately made me think of a cross between Jack White and Tim Minchin.
    EVHtremontiSRV
    i really dont think they or he, himself, sounds anything like nirvana/cobain. maybe a melody line here and there but nothing to extreme
    Jesse Wolfe
    K&F wrote: RCKnMTL10 wrote: harpcicle wrote: The guy is the biggest Cobain wannabe on the planet, to the point that he's covered over half of Nirvana's repertoire and constantly wears versions of Kurt's famous red and black jumper. Could be a great Nirvana tribute act if he insists on modelling himself that much on the guy Seether started out as a Nirvana cover band. No, they were a Metallica cover band.
    They were a Korn cover band.Shaun says that in the interview on the One Cold Night DVD.
    Reevo
    I love how almost this entire interview comment section is people arguing about him being influenced by Kurt Corbain, a Nirvana Wannabe, or as one other said it: "Aww, another troubled 'artist' using music as therapy. How special. And we've never seen that before. And when someone says they are "surrounded by morons" more likely the moron is surrounded." So what if music is his therapy? Its so much better than having people rapping about their girls, drugs, and money. Im sure we've all used music in one way or another to express ourselves, why should he be some big exception? Considering what Shaun has been through in his life, the moron comment is pretty true. Im sure we can all relate to that. Havnt got the album yet, but gonna pick it up tomorrow. Been a fan since i first heard Broken when it was released, got all their albums, not gonna miss this one, and have to say Seether is a heavy influence on my music and lyric writing style. That mean's im a Shaun Morgan wannabe to all the trolls on here. Awesome interview
    dropdead
    Ibanez is a ****ing troll, quit ecouraging this guy, all he does is notice insignificant mistakes posters make then blow them up, and disagree with and misinterperate every constructive statement on here. He is who Shaun is talking about.
    dark_rider92
    Bananafish003 wrote: VoodooMaster wrote: to the people who are gonna bash Shaun for being a Cobain wannabe.. Grow up ...but it's true...really, post-grunge bands are the ones who need to grow up. Go ruin someone else's genre, please.
    really? this is like the second oldest music argument ever (the first being if rap is music). just let people make their music...seriously...
    shatteredglassj
    If you don't like Seether, why are you reading this article?? Secondly, if you're bashing Shaun for copying Kurt, I just have to ask, are you completely original? Doubt it. We all have influences we strive to be like. Get over yourselves.
    eVAN_HALEN3
    IDC what he looks like. You can't judge a book by it's cover. His music is totally different than Nirvana. If you think he's copying Nirvana then pick up a Seether album and listen to it.
    stndrdprcdre
    People who have the mindset that they are surrounded by morons are always morons themselves or have severely disfunctional personalities.
    eVAN_HALEN3
    stndrdprcdre wrote: People who have the mindset that they are surrounded by morons are always morons themselves or have severely disfunctional personalities.
    Not really. Everyones had moron moments where theyre complete idiots, but also moments where absolutely EVERYONE around them are being morons. It's not a mindset he's always gonna have.
    dark_rider92
    if you assume that 90% of the world are idiots and only 10% are intelligent, then you won't be disappointed when you meet an idiot but will be pleasantly surprised when you meet a smart person.
    Bananafish003
    VoodooMaster wrote: to the people who are gonna bash Shaun for being a Cobain wannabe.. Grow up
    ...but it's true...really, post-grunge bands are the ones who need to grow up. Go ruin someone else's genre, please.
    vinc3nt
    Proud to be South African cus of dudes like this. Seether are great.
    betterman5
    Jon777 wrote: I read the title as "Surrounded by Mormons..." Man, I need to get more sleep.
    Lol! Anyway, I love Seether, I think their music and lyrics are amazing. I really don't get the whole he mimics Kurt comments though. Like yeah Shaun does idolise him, and there are the odd simularities here and there, but Seether are much heavier and melodic than nirvana. And if Shaun wears a shirt like Kurts meh why not, maybe hes just pay tribute to Kurt. Who gives a **** the musics good.
    Biffman
    Woow I had no idea these guys are so big overseas, thats awesome they really deserve it.
    Ibeanez
    Aww, another troubled 'artist' using music as therapy. How special. And we've never seen that before. And when someone says they are "surrounded by morons" more likely the moron is surrounded.
    ant99si
    great band, great album ... shaun is influenced big by nirvana/kurt ... Nirvana's one of the best bands of all time! Keep them coming shaun/seether!!! check out www.facebook.com/loungeactnj nirvana tribute band
    Mr.Garreth
    Ibeanez wrote: Aww, another troubled 'artist' using music as therapy. How special. And we've never seen that before. And when someone says they are "surrounded by morons" more likely the moron is surrounded.
    Duede are you like 12?
    slaveskinJACKET
    harpcicle wrote: The guy is the biggest Cobain wannabe on the planet, to the point that he's covered over half of Nirvana's repertoire and constantly wears versions of Kurt's famous red and black jumper. Could be a great Nirvana tribute act if he insists on modelling himself that much on the guy
    All of that taken into consideration, when they play Nirvana, it's usually more interesting than when they play Seether. They can do a mean Nirvana. But to appreciate Kurt Cobain for his singing, especially when compared to Chris Cornell, Layne Staley, and Scott Weiland is just crazy. Appreciate his weird songwriting, or his ability to use limited voice to reach such a level of infamy, but his singing to be what you take away from it, that's beyond me. But you can tell when you hear him sing that Kurt Cobain is the biggest influence on his voice. Also, Stone Temple Pilots are not from Seattle. They are from L.A.
    iljh
    VoodooMaster : to the people who are gonna bash Shaun for being a Cobain wannabe.. Grow up I agree. And I think Shaun is far more skilled in guitar playing, singing and song writing. Idgaf about KC I'm a fan of Seether.
    slaveskinJACKET
    Ibeanez wrote: And when someone says they are "surrounded by morons" more likely the moron is surrounded.
    You haven't met very many people, have you? Being that you're 12, I assume that to be true.
    !SOAD!
    When will we see a pure metal album? come on dude, for south africa. Dont forget u grew up here so bring us some gigs
    mlukeroberts222
    Got the new album yesterday. I'm digging the heavier 'For Cue,' and 'Desire For Need,' but the standouts have to be 'Tonight" and 'Forsaken.' Two really great songs, even though I'm guessing a lot of people are going to rip 'Tonight' for its somewhat commercial sound. Regardless, a great song with outstanding lyrics. Better album than the last I would say, and I've been a Seether fan since day one.