Slayer: 'Lulu' Is 'Metallica Trying To Be Too Cool'

Jenn Selby of The Quietus recently conducted an interview with SLAYER bassist/vocalist Tom Araya.

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Jenn Selby of The Quietus recently conducted an interview with Slayer bassist/vocalist Tom Araya. A couple of Blabbermouth.net excerpts from the chat follow below.

The Quietus: Metallica decided to go a bit left-field recently and make "Lulu" with Lou Reed. What would [Slayer's] equivalent be, if you had to go and make it, and you had to choose an artist to make it with who was completely mismatched, who would it be and why?

Tom: Erm... I can't speak for the whole band, but it would require a lot of thought, and I don't see us doing anything like that. I can't even conceive of the idea of doing something like that, you know? Lou Reed of all people, you know? He's just so avant garde, so out there, so musically different. He was his own thing. He was his own mould. And for them to try to... I don't know, when I found out about that, I thought that it was a little too much.

Did you listen to the album?

Tom: No, I haven't listened to the album. I don't want to. To me, it's like, I hate to say this, but it's trying too hard to be cool.

Lou Reed is trying too hard?

No, no, no, this is nothing against Lou Reed. Lou Reed is great, I think what he does is amazing, but it's Metallica trying to be too cool. They're trying to be too cool. Why do you need to do that? Why do you need to be too cool? That's on Metallica, that's not on Lou Reed. He's awesome And they're going to hate it if they read this, they're going to hate me saying it, but it's just my personal opinion. I don't even need to listen to the album! [Laughs]

Dave Mustaine [Megadeth] once told me - and several other people - that without him, thrash wouldn't have existed. What would you say to that?

Daaave... He's a little late on the draw! [Laughs] You know, because his record and his band Megadeth didn't materialize until the mid-'80s. He was a founding member of Metallica, but I think there are other bands that we should owe credit to and they should owe credit to. Credit is due to a band - who made the music that we developed and made it our own - and I hate to say it, but Anvil. You listen to the first ANVIL album, and you hear echoes of Metallica. So, you know, there are other bands you can credit to starting thrash metal or attempting to do something new. We just took it and made it our own. And for some reason, Anthrax, Slayer and Metallica all evolved... And it was all about the same year, in '81. And then we all evolved into this, 30 years later. Like I said, Mustaine was in Metallica, but got kicked out, and five years later came up with his band. So he's a little slow on the draw.

Read the entire interview from The Quietus.

Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich told Brazil's Wikimetal that he still feels good about recording "Lulu", which came out to poor sales and disastrous reviews last November. Ulrich said, "It's definitely very unique, and whether it's unique in a good way or unique in a not-so-good way, I have no idea yet. The people whose opinions I trust say it's very good. It feels very good; it's a lot of fun to do. But whether it's making a new sound, or paving a new way, I have no idea."

The drummer added that Metallica's success has given them the freedom to try new things, which is essential to the band's longevity. He explained, "I think that 30 years in, we have to kind of do these things to keep us alive. If we get stuck doing the same thing over and over again, it becomes automatic... That's not the band I'd like Metallica to be. I know some people would like Metallica to make the same record every two years, but that's not what I want Metallica to do, and I'm not interested in doing that."

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    Creepingdeth89
    This interview looks like it was intended to create some tension between the Big 4 (except Anthrax). I mean, why the **** ask Tom about what Dave Mustaine said? What relevance did it hold to the previous questions? And anyway, we all know how Mustaine blows his own horn a little too hard at times. I just think after all the shit they went thorugh in the past, the laswt thing they need is provocative questions like that to stir up shit again.
    jose.kuervo.94
    well , if you had cared enough to read the WHOLE interview over at thequietus . com site then you will see that .. in context..there was a lot of relevance in asking about Dave
    x0vincent0x
    Maybe it is not very polite what Tom Araya says, but on the other side i think he is damn right.
    Paddy McK
    People are still talking about Lulu? Can't everyone agree to just not mention it again?
    xplosive59
    If Metallica were trying to be cool at least they didnt go down the route of dyed, straightened hair, skinny jeans, eyeliner, speak with an over the top false american accents, breakdowns, pig squeals and pander to preteen girls who think you are "hardcore". Seriously though Tom Araya is dead on!
    fede01_8
    at least he was respecful to Lou Reed unlike most ****ing kids and metalheads who have no idea who he is and were calling him all kind of names
    cargath
    "Dave once told me" - WTF? Who cares what someone said years ago? Get a life. And i don't get why people are offended by Metallica doing some background music for Lou Reed.
    Maiden95
    This is the first time in a long time I've seen the terms Lou Reed and awesome together in the same sentence
    captainperoxide
    I don't care how much I get flamed for this. Metallica have always been cooler than Slayer. More talented, more creative, more willing to take risks. Sure, plenty of Metallica's risks haven't worked out, but I'm glad they're still experimenting and thinking outside of the box.
    thetimmster
    Why is it every interview Slayer does ends up going back to Metallica? Come to think of it, any interview with ANYONE who is considered metal goes back to Metallica. Sheesh. Sometimes being a metalhead sucks.
    ReldvS
    i may have HATED LuLU but the fact is Metallica does wtf they want and no matter what, no one can kill em ...not even themselves. lol everyone knows they can't wait for the new Metallica to drop even if we all hated LuLu...Metallica has the money and the power to pretty much do what they want.
    ZWH
    ... And there we go, Metallica VS Slayer fan war. Seriously, I think it's wrong to put 'Slayer' in front of the quote, this was Araya's statement, not Slayer's statement.
    Tom Araya said: Erm... I can't speak for the whole band
    hitl
    there is nothing cool about cutting your legs and tits off
    67_67
    Araya's talking out of his arse. Mustaine started Megadeth in 1983, 2 months after getting booted from Metallica, not 5 years after.
    AnnihilationUK
    Raven_Flight wrote: He is just jealous. I bet Araya is dying to play, at least, one acoustic song with Slayer.
    you're right, I can think of at least 20 Slayer songs that would work in an acoustic set! ....
    Farbeyondforums
    This whole article is just not called for haha, why would you get an interview with Tom and then just feed him shit questions about other bands,lol, more to the point, shame on Tom for taking the bait!! he shoulda said...Dave is Dave and Metallica can do what they want...not my band lol!
    whywefight
    I can't speak for the whole band
    Article: SLAYER : 'Lulu' is 'Metallica trying to be too cool'. Article fail, UG.
    RATMfan420
    I wish I could get paid a buck or two everytime there was an article containing the names "Lou Reed/Metallica/LuLu". I could retire on my own private island beachhouse with a huge jumbo private jet filled with living hookers.
    HeavyMetalSonic
    I thought he meant that without Lou Reed, thrash wouldn't have existed. How is an interview gonna jump from Reed to Mustaine?
    HeavyMetalSonic
    Megadeth's debut came out two years after Metallica's and Slayer's and one year after Anthrax's. So the **** what. It's not like Dave woke up one day in 1985 and decided to start a thrash band so he could be like the others. He was there from the beginning just like the rest of them.
    Raven_Flight
    He is just jealous. I bet Araya is dying to play, at least, one acoustic song with Slayer.
    Wilkesy1000
    This interview and post is all just starting bullshit between the bands and its fans.
    captainperoxide
    mnewland1 wrote: Right, none of their 80s albums sounded the same, and 90% of what people want to hear is from that era, so why did they start "going in new directions"? Oh yeah, because they're f**king sellouts.
    Right, cause releasing an album that almost everyone hated is definitely selling out.
    queenslander47
    Tom's reaction to the Mustaine question "Daaavvve" hahahaha. Pretty much the same reaction I have every time Dave says something silly.
    Ultraussie wrote: He's just so avant garde, so out there, so musically different. He was his own thing. He was his own mould. And for them to try to... I don't know, when I found out about that, I thought that it was a little too much. Slayer's not very Avant Garde in any sense... 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-5-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-7-0-0-0-0-0- 0-0-0-0-5
    Nobody ever suggested Slayer was avant garde, what are you talking about?
    Skuzzmo
    priestfan76 wrote: Why is Tom at fault here? The guy asked him questions clearly meant to incite shit, and Tom answered them as best he could without sounding a complete *****. Plus, do you forget that their all friends? Slayer and Metallica have been for awhile, and ever since Dave stopped being a druggie, he's cool with Slayer too, so it's just like buddies taking shots at each other. Everyone needs to get off their Metallica signature dildos and just move on
    I applaud this comment.
    crocoscar
    "Did you listen to the album? Tom: No, I haven't listened to the album." stopped reading
    Minivirus2
    What was the point of this article? To ensure there's news for next week's front page? Like, christ already, why ask questions which basically force Tom to lie or **** all over everyone? Also, I don't really get Tom's statement about Mustiane and Megadeth. Dave doesn't claim the band is responsible for thrash. He only claims that he taught James the better portion of what thrash's playing style has come to be. Personally, I think there's some validity to that claim... Some.
    ne14t
    Wow all you people telling him to shut up, how about you read the ENTIRE interview...This was a question asked by the interviewer not something Tom brought up himself, the entire interview was not all Lulu and/or Metallica related. He was just being polite and answering a question, some of you guys need to get your panties out of a knot.
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    Martin7890 wrote: 5 years to come up with Megadeth? After Dave was fired from Metallica it took him 6 months to get together with junior, Chris and Gar and starting touring. If wouldn't have been for Dave, I bet Kerry King wouldn't have the slightest idea what "thrash" means. And that goes for Kirk too, all the solos in Kill 'em all were written by Dave. If Dave wouldn't have appeared in Metallica, God knows what would've happened to that band.
    I am more than certain that Loyd Grant had to do with some of the solos and that Kirk Hammett never used a Dave solo and if he did, Kirk just made it his own and changed it all to a different rhythm and feel
    Iommianity
    "Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but Slayer isn't entitled to their own opinion, because Metallica is my favourite band."
    priestfan76
    Why is Tom at fault here? The guy asked him questions clearly meant to incite shit, and Tom answered them as best he could without sounding a complete *****. Plus, do you forget that their all friends? Slayer and Metallica have been for awhile, and ever since Dave stopped being a druggie, he's cool with Slayer too, so it's just like buddies taking shots at each other. Everyone needs to get off their Metallica signature dildos and just move on
    Engel22
    Lulu seemed like some kind of stranger hipster move from Metallica to me, trying to be more artistic than they actually are, and I think Tom Araya is pretty much bang on.
    rhs5110
    I think of everyone in the thrash metal movement dave mustaine had much more influence then tom aray and his bass lol
    Pac_man0123
    I can imagine next week's article... "Slayer: 'Kerry King' is 'a bald guitar player' "
    jamstar2697
    why would you interview an artist from a band and then talk to them about their companions/rivals, people need to learn how to interview artists
    GenerationKILL
    Typical British publications. Trying hard to sling as much mud as they can. Metallica can and always will do whatever they want. They owe you, the butthurt fan boy, nothing.
    frantic_saint
    TO the guy above me, i agree and disagree. Musically, i love Death Magnetic. The guitar runs and s**t like that was great. The tone quality of the guitars and the entire album was horrendous. I cant help but feel that with alot more bass, a better guitar sound (the riffs were good but the tone was weak)and a new producer, Metallica can get their s**t back on track. Lulu was god awful tho.
    NoInnerKind
    Any type of music where you're not beating the piss out of the low E string for 4 and a half minutes and abusing the **** out of a floyd is alien to Slayer. Also, people keep forgetting that this isn't a Metallica record. This is Lou Reed with Metallica, not Metallica with Lou Reed.
    i_am_metalhead
    No, Tom, you're wrong. Its Metallica having fun and experimenting with different stuff. Not everyone wants to put out the same shitty album over and over again like you. Reign In Blood was good the first time, but the half a dozen or so times that you've tried to copy have just been a fail on your part.
    iommi600
    well, I don't think I can agree with this... as much as I hate LOLu, both Metallica and Lou Reed were enjoying what they were doing... especially Kirk Hammett. so, why not?
    HavokStrife
    AlteredMaggot18 wrote: Slayer bashing Metallica is Slayer trying to stay cool and relevant.
    This. I think deep down Tom's really jealous cuz any one Metallica CD sold more copies than all of Slayer's discography combined.
    fede01_8
    SharkSandwich wrote: why does he hate to credit anvil?
    maybe because they are looked as one of the 80's cheese metal band? and only made one good record?