Couple Refused Apartment For Being Metal Fans

A landlady changed her mind after discovering the husband played in a metal band, saying she is "uncomfortable with the energy that this music manifests".

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A married couple, Mike and Lara Crossley, were refused an apartment after the landlord discovered one of them played in a heavy metal band.

The landlady, Suzanne, verbally agreed to let the couple have the apartment, but looked them up online and changed her mind when she found that Mike played bass in the band Vilipend.

Suzanne wrote an email to explain: "We were quite ready to make a decision in your favour the other night. However, upon investigation of the band Vilipend, it has brought forward some concerns for us.

"We are uncomfortable with the energy that this music manifests."

Mike can't believe the landlady would judge him based on his taste of music, but says it highlights the reality faced by other minorities every day in an interview with Classic Rock.

"The point is not that a couple of twenty-somethings missed out on a decent apartment," he said. "If Lara and I were discriminated against as a dual full-time income, caucasian, middle-class, heterosexual couple with good references and credit checks, imagine the difficult somebody who doesn't have those advantages must experience."

Mike recommends the documentary "Metal: a Headbanger's Journey" to anyone who doesn't truly understand the reality of being a metal fan.

"We fear what we don't understand. The world is full of closed minds," Mike adds. "I hope we can help to open even one by bringing this scenario to light and by showing ourselves to be satisfactory human beings."

You can read Lara's side of the story, and her email reply to the landlady, on her blog.

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    fivebizebeavers
    Skodward714 wrote: Isn't refusing someone an apartment like that illegal?
    It is if they discriminate based upon age, sex, race, religion, disability's, and I think sexual orientation (some places have laws of sexual orientation, some dont.) There is no law that says anything about musical preference. That being said this is really stupid.
    phoenix_crush
    Krieger91 wrote: That's pretty stupid.. But it's also weird that he listed "caucasian" as an advantage.
    Being white is a HUGE advantage in America.
    dralithi
    Krieger91 wrote: That's pretty stupid.. But it's also weird that he listed "caucasian" as an advantage.
    Not weird at all if you've taken a sociology class or looked at the statistics. People continue to be given preference based on race. http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/vi... -race-series-mikaylas-story/?iref=allsearch
    jfitch832
    It's not weird or racist that he listed caucasian as an advantage, considering it is. Now is it an advantage due to the racism in America? Yes it is. Is it right? Not at all. That's just the way people are here. Oh, and Metal: A Headbanger's Journey is one badass documentary.
    RC52190
    Spitshine610 wrote: Good, I wouldn't want to live next door to a bunch of metal douchebags. 1987 called, they wanted their music back!
    If you think metal died in 1987, you have a lot of learning to do. And you're on the wrong site. lol About 80% of the users on this site are metal heads.
    nickdohle
    Um, what? Since when? That's just racist as hell, man.
    Racist? Yes. True? Yes. Sad? Yes. America has a lot of opportunities for everyone. But the sad truth is, being a White Male will get you farther with less work. Ive seen it many times. Its just the way it is. Its changing. But its still easier for a white male than a woman, or a man of any other race. Unless shes a hot woman. In this country tits and ass will also take you far.
    Krieger91
    That's pretty stupid.. But it's also weird that he listed "caucasian" as an advantage.
    EpiExplorer
    I looked up Vilipends music. Its a kind of drawn out drone music, with heavy elements of sludge and post metal.
    rocker222
    i believe that the land lady was afraid satan would posses her apartment.
    miregal
    Crazysam23= A little bit of sarcasm is hard to understand without hearing the tone of voice. This is ridiculous. People wouldn't rent to me because I had dreadlocks. They can do that if they want.
    link no1
    AGiftofFiction wrote: Everyone knows that metal is for children anyways.
    A comment usually thrown about by children trying to seem adult.
    aureliusgtr
    Racist? Yes. True? Yes. Sad? Yes. America has a lot of opportunities for everyone. But the sad truth is, being a White Male will get you farther with less work. Ive seen it many times. Its just the way it is. Its changing. But its still easier for a white male than a woman, or a man of any other race. Unless shes a hot woman. In this country tits and ass will also take you far. have you heard of affirmitive action?? because I am white i got absolutely no grants from the governemnt for college...im paying off a mountain of student loan debt, however, my financial advisor informed me if i was black, or any other "minority" i would have gotten half of my education paid for by the government....doesnt sound like being white had that much of an advantage for me...and btw, businesses are REQUIRED to hire a certain percentage of minority employess, meaning white people could be passed up for jobs (even if they are more qualified) just to fill a quota...to me, this is reverse racism...to minorities its not because it seems as long as your doing something against white people, it doesnt count as racism...
    ljpfahey
    What were they doing looking for an apartment? Metal fans live in lairs.
    Smegal
    Krieger91 wrote: That's pretty stupid.. But it's also weird that he listed "caucasian" as an advantage.
    not weird at all really. In america and england being caucasian is essentially "Looking native born" so on the racial discrimination it is a get out of discrimination free card. For example they may not like anyone but themselves and given that the country he is trying to live in is a caucasian country (Natively) then it is perfectly understandable why he added it.
    Rocknroller1090
    I could see where she was coming from if she did it because she didnt want noise complaints from his band practicing or him listening to loud music, but she said it was because she didnt like what it represents. That's totally different
    satansnachos
    ljpfahey wrote: What were they doing looking for an apartment? Metal fans live in lairs.
    and canadians live in igloos
    limpidgreen345
    nickdohle wrote: Racist? Yes. True? Yes. Sad? Yes. America has a lot of opportunities for everyone. But the sad truth is, being a White Male will get you farther with less work. Ive seen it many times. Its just the way it is. Its changing. But its still easier for a white male than a woman, or a man of any other race. Unless shes a hot woman. In this country tits and ass will also take you far.
    They're in Canada.
    Human371
    My Last Words wrote: Landlady tried to kill the metal.. and it failed, as metal was striken down on the street!
    NO ONE CAN DESTROY THE METAL. THE METAL WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN WITH A VICIOUS BLOW. yeah this annoys me because everyone seems to take it upon themselves to be the judge of what is acceptable in music taste. Maybe I do this occasionally too, but how many of these people spend nearly ALL their time listening to music, playing guitar, buying CDs, etc etc. That'd be like this guy not renting to that landlady because he didn't like that Betty White was her favorite Golden Girl. He knows nothing about the Golden Girls and can't make that call.
    guitargodwannab
    wut a ****in bitch. thats all i gotta say. WHO THE FUCK CARES IF THEY LISTEN TO METAL like come on. thought all this discrimination bullshit was over with. fml
    Boonnoo666
    That's just stupid and unfair, I in fact know very civil, polite and pleasant fellow metalheads who listen to Thrash and Death metal!
    theboss123
    mradubz33 wrote: Maybe she turned them away because he plays bass.... I'm gonna catch shit for this
    Bassists unite? I love playing the bass, maybe even more so than guitar!
    v2a2n2g2
    AGiftofFiction wrote: Everyone knows that metal is for children anyways.
    N0 UR A CHILDREN
    Pan-Tallica
    satansnachos wrote: ljpfahey wrote: What were they doing looking for an apartment? Metal fans live in lairs. and canadians live in igloos
    As a Canadian, I can confirm that the above statement is 100% true. And to whoever cited the Louis CK bit about being White... well good on ya, I was thinking about doing the same thing!
    slfan68
    dave111223 wrote: He's not a "metal fan" he "plays in a heavy metal band". ie he's gonna be ripping it up in his apartment. She's worried he's gonna have a band over practicing every night. Pretty simple decision, nothing to do with metal fans.
    Except that you're wrong, and if you had taken more than 30 seconds to glance at the article and actually read from her blog you'd know that. Before any of this occurred, they informed the landlady that Mike played in a band, but that they already had a practice space. It was only after the landlady Googled the band and heard their music that she decided she didn't want to rent to these guys. The more you know.
    mradubz33
    Maybe she turned them away because he plays bass.... I'm gonna catch shit for this
    stonedhippos
    aureliusgtr wrote: Racist? Yes. True? Yes. Sad? Yes. America has a lot of opportunities for everyone. But the sad truth is, being a White Male will get you farther with less work. Ive seen it many times. Its just the way it is. Its changing. But its still easier for a white male than a woman, or a man of any other race. Unless shes a hot woman. In this country tits and ass will also take you far. have you heard of affirmitive action?? because I am white i got absolutely no grants from the governemnt for college...im paying off a mountain of student loan debt, however, my financial advisor informed me if i was black, or any other "minority" i would have gotten half of my education paid for by the government....doesnt sound like being white had that much of an advantage for me...and btw, businesses are REQUIRED to hire a certain percentage of minority employess, meaning white people could be passed up for jobs (even if they are more qualified) just to fill a quota...to me, this is reverse racism...to minorities its not because it seems as long as your doing something against white people, it doesnt count as racism...
    not in all parts can it be seen, but if you live in LA, for example, and call the police in a black neighborhood, they will arrive very late. go into the white part, the police are there instantly. on a side note, it isn't like white people were enslaved for 200 years and treated like dirt for another 100.
    RC52190
    Krieger91 wrote: That's pretty stupid.. But it's also weird that he listed "caucasian" as an advantage.
    It's really not, because statistically, caucasians have more of an edge when it comes to money, job preference, etc. just like if you're male, you have an "advantage" over females in terms of probability of success. That's how he was trying to say that.
    MAGGOTCFH
    More people who dont understand metal but are willing to judge it. it disgust me
    thebigredjj10
    stonedhippos wrote: aureliusgtr wrote: Racist? Yes. True? Yes. Sad? Yes. America has a lot of opportunities for everyone. But the sad truth is, being a White Male will get you farther with less work. Ive seen it many times. Its just the way it is. Its changing. But its still easier for a white male than a woman, or a man of any other race. Unless shes a hot woman. In this country tits and ass will also take you far. have you heard of affirmitive action?? because I am white i got absolutely no grants from the governemnt for college...im paying off a mountain of student loan debt, however, my financial advisor informed me if i was black, or any other "minority" i would have gotten half of my education paid for by the government....doesnt sound like being white had that much of an advantage for me...and btw, businesses are REQUIRED to hire a certain percentage of minority employess, meaning white people could be passed up for jobs (even if they are more qualified) just to fill a quota...to me, this is reverse racism...to minorities its not because it seems as long as your doing something against white people, it doesnt count as racism... not in all parts can it be seen, but if you live in LA, for example, and call the police in a black neighborhood, they will arrive very late. go into the white part, the police are there instantly. on a side note, it isn't like white people were enslaved for 200 years and treated like dirt for another 100.
    You are right, it's not a picnic for minorities in every part of the country. And in the past they had the short end of the stick (understatement). But we are talking about the present here, and in many places there is a lot of reverse racism. Is it time for white people to get what's coming to them? I don't see why, seeing as this generation had nothing to do with the sins of the previous ones. Also, slavery and racism was not something unique to white people. Those things are as old as humanity, so to blame them on white people is as stupid as blaming crime on black people. Throughout history there were many empires of every other race that were built by slaves as well. So this idea that white people should feel ashamed for being born is as stupid as black people being ashamed for being born. My point everyone needs to stop being so racist on both sides.
    bloodbath519
    I was turned away from a hotel once after they asked what I was in town for....Metallica concert.
    Sidlavs
    On the other hand, being a bass player in a metal band is actually a pretty good reason to refuse an apartment, since he would probably rehearse some of his basslines in the bedroom. Of course, the landlady could have easily asked whether he has intentions of playing music at high volumes in his apartment or not.
    ronhoward
    aureliusgtr wrote: Racist? Yes. True? Yes. Sad? Yes. America has a lot of opportunities for everyone. But the sad truth is, being a White Male will get you farther with less work. Ive seen it many times. Its just the way it is. Its changing. But its still easier for a white male than a woman, or a man of any other race. Unless shes a hot woman. In this country tits and ass will also take you far. have you heard of affirmitive action?? because I am white i got absolutely no grants from the governemnt for college...im paying off a mountain of student loan debt, however, my financial advisor informed me if i was black, or any other "minority" i would have gotten half of my education paid for by the government....doesnt sound like being white had that much of an advantage for me...and btw, businesses are REQUIRED to hire a certain percentage of minority employess, meaning white people could be passed up for jobs (even if they are more qualified) just to fill a quota...to me, this is reverse racism...to minorities its not because it seems as long as your doing something against white people, it doesnt count as racism...
    Um, no. I'm a white male and I get pell money for college. It's need based, not race based. It takes into account your income and your household. If you have a lower income and/or a household with multiple dependents then you have a higher need and will be able to get more money. When you fill out your FAFSA also has a lot to do with the amount of aid you get. the earlier the better. It is need based, but is also on a first come first served basis. Your financial aid advisor is a crock. There may be more scholarships available for minority students (because statistically they are more at risk in educational areas), but that's scholarships not federal aid. Affirmative action was created because of the inequalities towards minorities that is a part of our history. You can cry about reverse rascism all you want, but if you were a black man in the early 20th century it'd be a different story. It's not about filling a quota, it's about not making a judgement based on race for equally qualified applicants. I'm guessing you didn't take many social classes while in school though. You can either cry about how your life has turned out or you can make the best out of what you have. Because I guarantee you have a hell of a lot more than most people in the world. Stop being so arrogant.
    FlyingPirahna
    fivebizebeavers wrote: Skodward714 wrote: Isn't refusing someone an apartment like that illegal? It is if they discriminate based upon age, sex, race, religion, disability's, and I think sexual orientation (some places have laws of sexual orientation, some dont.) There is no law that says anything about musical preference. That being said this is really stupid.
    I guess even Congress isn't stupid enough to think someone ELSE would be stupid enough to refuse an apartment on musical tastes, to put a law on the books for it.
    sg4ever
    Oh gosh, I'm Asian and I like metal. I'm done for. Not even my religious nature will pull me any credit here. Better buy a tent, I guess. Ignorant landlady is ignorant land lady.
    Andragon
    Campbell2727 wrote: in other news a no name metal band no one has ever heard of gets free advertising for UG. seems like a good trade for missing an apartment, good luck to them
    Sure but they're on a US tour - booked solid for a bit... not sure they really needed the exposure as much as you think. It's an interesting story.