Ex-Misfits Guitarist: 'I Wish Lars Ulrich Would Sue the Whole Internet and Fix Piracy'

"You wouldn't believe how many huge musicians have regular jobs," says Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein.

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Former Misfits axeman Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein recently discussed the matter of music piracy, calling it the industry's biggest issue and giving nothing but props to Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich for his Napster legal battle efforts.

After recently explaining Phoenix New Times that illegal downloading is theft, Doyle was asked to which extent was he affected by piracy.

"Everybody has," he replied. "Especially the smaller bands and artists, they suffer the most. It's not like [Led] Zeppelin and huge acts, that don't really get affected. You know, everyone got so mad when Lars went to sue Napster and everyone was like 'What the f--k?'

"It's like, what do you mean what the f--k? He doesn't need the money, but everybody else does! It's hard man. You wouldn't believe how many huge musicians that are popular have regular jobs."

The guitarist then stated he would like Ulrich to repeat his lawsuit and sue the entire internet.

"I wish he would do it again, but sue the whole Internet and fix it so nobody can," he said. "And with movies too, it's ridiculous. It costs so much money to make a record! Especially for people like me, I funded the whole record. I did it all out of pocket, bought all the gear and did it all ourselves. That's expensive on its own."

Doyle was finally asked on whether he's among the lucky musicians able to live off the money made entirely from their music. "[Huge sigh] I don't think I'm gonna answer that," the guitarist replied. "You gotta do what you gotta do. You have to feed everyone, and pay everybody," he concluded.

The matter of music piracy is clearly a complex issue. Let us know what you think in the comments.

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    Nero Galon
    Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein. Now that's a name.
    do you know what is a "stage name"???
    Jacques Nel
    I don't think anyone will ever be able to successfully stop downloads. Someone will always find a way around it. It's always been that way.
    Jacques Nel
    Que everyone using the line "I don't [ever] download myself, but..."
    I downloaded his album, but I did so with intentions of still buying it. After listening to the album, that hasn't changed. I want a physical copy and I want to support Doyle (as well as Alex Story and the rest of his band). I just didn't want to wait to read it haha. Hopefully Doyle would understand Hopefully they're selling copies at the Danzig w/Doyle show next month
    You can't stop pircay, but i do hope the industry finds a way so that both big and small acts can sustain a decent living (that isn't minimum wage on maximum hours) from what should be considered their job. It kinda sucks that lots og bands are forced to handle a secondary job or just live from the scraps they can get.
    There is already a way, which most old dinosaurs fail to acknowledge or adopt (some have though in all fairness) which is how a lot of pop acts are garnering viewers and that's youtube. It in affect, curbs piracy since your music is out for free (for all intents and purposes) which is what their audience really want in the first place, and gets you that audience you were looking for in the first place (and maybe some cashflow). Hate to give this example on UG but that how JB got his break, amongst others. There are so many ways to make money as a musician or entertainer that these guys dont even realize, which make the "piracy is killing the music industry/rock and roll" argument invalid or at least weak. The Music industry and the old guard of Rock needs to change their set ways and learn some new skills, which frankly speaking are not hard to master, or throw some money at to solve.
    The thing is, with pop, you can release so much more songs than with rock. Pop doesen't price you for creativity. Pop music is pumping out cheap musicvideos, and songs with no meaning whatsoever to youtube and radio. They play with looks, and catchy tunes, and with it's popularity. In this sense, rock can't even compete in the same enviroment. Sure, some videos in youtube might just raise your popularity, but nothing groundbreaking isn't gonna come from it.
    Yeah, pop music sucks and rock music rulez 4eva! (sarcastic) Rock music is as much commercial music as pop music is. There's lots of different kind of pop music and lots of different kind of rock music. Of course the mainstream stuff is usually very simple and repetitive. But that's why it's mainstream - it's very easy to listen to. But not all pop music is mainstream. And not all pop songs in the radio are simple and lack creativity. I would say Lady Gaga is pretty original - you need to admit it even if you don't like her music. Most modern rock songs you hear on the radio are really similar to the pop you hear on the radio - repetitive and simple. I mean, it sounds different but it's still kind of similar and uses similar structures and stuff, just played on different instruments. I personally don't really like it. I would say it's actually pop music "disguised" as rock music (for example Nickelback). Not that there's nothing wrong with it. Some people like it and the songs are catchy and easy to listen to. But I just don't like listening to it.
    "Pop music is pumping out cheap musicvideos, and songs with no meaning whatsoever to youtube and radio." I'd love for you to say this to a pop artist, and see their reaction.
    @Kaseke That's kind of a broad statement about rock. It varies depending on the band/ genre/ style. Some progressive rock bands or bands who are very obsessive about their music (or both, like Tool) may take a long time to complete an album, while others who rely on a more improvised style may take much less. There are many examples of bands recording records (many even considered great) quickly and releasing them not soon after. There is no right or wrong way, as either of these are fine, but not all rock music is meticulously thought out. Many artists rely on improvisation and prefer not to overthink their music. These artists are quite capable of releasing a lot of music quickly. Thinking that time spent on music has any bearing on the quality of music is silly, and using that as an attack on pop music is a bad argument and only makes your opinion look ridiculous. I am not particularly fond of pop music, but the amount of time put in writing is not a valid critique.
    Agreed. Actually usually good songs are written really fast. Because then you retain the same feeling as when you started writing the song and it makes the song flow really well. Sometimes you just feel inspired and can write a song in less than an hour. You may lose the feeling the song originally had if writing it takes too long. Famous rock bands aren't releasing new albums all the time because they are touring and also recording an album today takes a lot more time than in the 60s. Back in the 60s rock bands released more albums (Led Zeppelin released their first two albums in the same year and they are also my favorite Zeppelin albums). Recording an album only took a week or two - they were pretty much recorded live with just a few overdubs (Black Sabbath's first album was recorded in a day IIRC). Bands don't usually write songs before they know they are soon going to the studio. So it doesn't matter if you release albums every year or every five years. Bands don't spend five years writing songs. Also, rock and pop music are wide genres. You can't generalize them. There's so much different kinds of pop and so much different kinds of rock.
    Youtube just acts as a form of advertising your music though, you don't get any royalties or license fees from the views. This doesn't stop people from simply pirating your music anyway, and you would have to be viral to justify your record company to give a most-likely unrecouped band decent tour support. So yeah, this basically leaves you back at square 1. If you're in a big band the fees people pay to attend your gigs could compensate your loss of artist royalties due to piracy, but if you're not at that stage it might just cripple your career
    Actually, if you get a large enough amount of views Youtube will give you a small amount of money for the amount of traffic. They'll add ads to your video and for each click you'll get money in your AdSense account. While it's not much, look at people like Ray William Johnson. As I've read, he does very well for someone who only makes Youtube videos.
    Oh yeah, I forgot about the ads You make a good point. I don't actually know how much income you can get from this or whether it's feasible to rely on your videos to stay popular, but hey, at least Youtube rewards you. Honestly though, albums have become dirt cheap, everyone who really likes a band could surely scrape a few bucks out of their wallets to support them
    You don't get a lot from ads unless you get thousands of views over several videos, but if you make sure that you have several sources of income (like Bandcamp, merch, any form of royalties) then it can add up. I think the best way for artists to survive nowadays is to go DIY, do as much themselves as possible so they can keep as much money as possible.
    The only reason some youtube users like Ray make a living is because they get a million plus views per video and post at least once a week. And that's just one person, and in some cases another person or a crew. But in reality, that's nothing to split between an entire band, not even mentioning touring and recording costs. PLUS, I don't know what kind of band could SUCCESSFULLY write, record, and film a music video to a GOOD song each and every week. Yeah right. Let alone get a million plus views every time. It would be nice, but in reality it would only barely work for the most popular bands, who don't even need it.
    The videogames industry is also pretty affected by downloads, but guess what? Steam makes tons of dosh from selling games. You just gotta find/create a service that pleases both consumers and sellers. Many artists have been giving the middle finger to their pirate audience, disregarding they are actually potential sources of money. Way to go!
    Games are a bit different, because gamers tend to be willing to pay for games and you really dont have to look long for gamers who demonize used sales (for some stupid reason) or pircay. Downloading isnt really that big a part of the gaming culture, maybe partly because its a hassle to do on consoles and obviously because Steam bargains are borderline insane.
    Steam basically ended 90% of internet piracy, you need an original copy to join multiplayer games, and most of their servers now are linked with Steam servers.
    Exactly! I do not give credence to the idea of intellectual property (which is essentially arbitrary ending of post-scarcity); however I still use Steam because it is more like a service. Not to say there aren't nuances with Steam's model, but it's still agreeable enough.
    Yep! Lets all make a living on Youtube. Im sure Youtube pays very well for people watching your videos. Just give all your music away, Youtube will pay the bills. Spend a little money (and by a little I mean several thousand dollar for a cheap effort) and record your stuff and put it all on Youtube!!! That's where the money is!
    So who are these 'big' musicians that work regular jobs to support themselves?Names please.
    Jacques Nel
    I would love to know. I don't see Dave Grohl flipping burgers.
    i think once you get to the stage of selling out arenas around the world, it's time to put down the spatula.
    Dave Grohl apparently has (or at least had) a day-job
    This was me, BTW. I was bored at school, forgot my password, and the password reset-page was blocked, so I just logged in with Google. Gotta love this video!
    Remember a band called Reuben? Got a pretty big following and even got to the point where they headlined some second and third stages at festivals. They all had other jobs (a lot of songs where to do about this very topic) and now they have had to call it day.
    Don't know if they are considered "big", but they are pretty well-known in their homeland,but I think most of the members of Ulver have secondary jobs to sustain a living.
    Jacques Nel
    Don't mean to sound rude...but yeah no one knows who that is.
    Black Metal fans probably do and they have had some succes with electronic music (in scandinavia) the last 15 years.
    I wouldn't consider Ulver to be a big band. Well known amongst the underground yes, but in the grand scheme of things they're not that big.
    It would saddened my life to not know about Ulver.
    Agreed, what those men have done is exquisite, it saddens my life to know people DON'T know of them.
    "I don't know who this band is, so nobody else does either" Congratulations, **** of the day award goes to you.
    I wouldn't toss Ulver among regular bands. I don't think Ryggs is in it for the money either.
    He recently wrote a very angry and dissapointed letter abouth their situation, that's why they are trying to find new ways to distribute their newest album. They aren't in it for the money, but hey need money to do what they do.
    Ne Obliviscaris is another black metal band that are like that. They actually got a lot of acclaim for their last album, but it's not like they're rich now. I know Gojira was really struggling for a while. A lot of musicians do have to work a second job, but not many are really coming to my mind right now.
    Lazare from Solefald is a local newsreporter in Norway. And while they don't have secondary jobs i think Arch Enemy is, or atleast were, struggling to keep the wheels running.
    Props to this guy for mentioning Ulver... And actually they do have decent following to anyone who asks Sure they aren't big, but when people even in small towns across the world know your name you know you're doing something right
    Type O Negative. Before he passed away, Peter Steele was a park ranger to pay the bills.
    dude was it not 1994 before he hit ti big with type o????Steele worked for the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation up until he began touring with Type O Negative in the summer of 1994.[16] He was based at Brooklyn Heights Promenade,[21] where his job involved park maintenance,[22] driving vehicles including garbage trucks and steamrollers,[23] and eventual promotion to the role of Park Supervisor.[16] Steele considered his days working for the Parks Department to be among his happiest
    These may not be what you're looking for, but they are semi-big. For one, Dave Mustaine from Megadeth worked for MTV for a while during the 90's. But I know a ton of musicians from bands I listen to, not necessarily huge, but they all work day jobs. Every member in the band All Shall Perish works at home off tour. Same with All That Remains, Killswitch Engage. There have been a couple of bands that I listen to who have broken up, because they couldn't sustain off of what money they were making.
    Don't know whether consider them as being "huge", but the guys from Sodom have regular jobs as far as I know.
    Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden works for an airline as a pilot.
    SUPPORT THEMSELVES, do you really think Bruce has to work as a pilot to support himself?
    I actually think he HAD to, back in the 90s when he wasn't in Maiden and had a solo band.