Mark E. Smith Calls Mumford & Sons 'Mongoloids'

The Fall frontman made the slur while recalling the time they annoyed him backstage at an Irish festival two years ago, and updated fans on his forthcoming album.

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Iconic punk legend Mark E. Smith of The Fall has labeled Mumford & Sons a "mongoloid Irish folk band."

Smith made the comment while recalling the time he took a disliking to the band when they crossed paths backstage at a festival in Dublin two years ago (via NME):

"I was talking to the promoter who's a mate of mine and said, 'look, don't take the p-ss. You've stuck us next to some mongoloid Irish folk band.' The promoter turns around and says, 'they're number one in your English charts.' I thought he was f-king joking. They started clopping about singing, sounded like they were dancing on the tables - so I told them to shut the f-ck up."

Meanwhile, Smith updated fans on the next Fall album which is due for release in January.

"We've been in The Kinks' studio for a fortnight," he said. "The improvement in the group is marvellous - they're just tighter and better. We're actually just finishing off the next record. I haven't got a title for it yet but we are thinking about a January release."

He adds that their fan base appears to be getting younger, which is probably thanks to modern bands like At The Drive-In citing The Fall as a major influence.

"I think a lot of it has to do with computers and getting music that way," he said. "I don't know though, it doesn't bother me at all who is there. I don't fking care who comes."

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    How very punk.
    I don't think anyone truly understands how brilliant this comment is... especially the people that +1'ed your post that are Mumford and Sons haters. It's just one man's opinion, I don't understand why people seem to have such a disdain for that band. Their certainly not my favorite and their stuff sounds relatively the same throughout, but they aren't such a terrible band. I could go on about Coldplay, however...
    I don't care about Mumford & Sons that much, although if they are getting successful, at least they sound more talented and passionate than 95% of the acts that get successful lately. I don't care if Mark is standing for his punk attitude, he's being a bit too harsh and douchey about this.
    Exactly my thoughts...
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    "Mumford & Sons is mediocre music for mediocre people, which is at least consistent. But theres no reason why ordinary people should be attracted to prosaic music, to claim that this is somehow natural is extremely unfair. Nor has folk music always been banalin fact it used to be a lot more fun. What Mumford has discovered, along with his masters at Universal, is that this goopy, self-serious emotionalism sells like crazy. And since he apparently has no interest in new musical ideas, you end up with a relentlessly monotonous body of work that amounts to more of a brand than an oeuvre."-Jordan Bloom I think Mumford is one of the worst acts out there. There more bland than Dave Mathews, now that is saying something
    I completely agree, but I really like the words that guy used to describe them; very fitting. And just for argument's sake, the Dave Matthews Band has some great musicians (and instrumentation at times), but, yes, they're incredibly bland and pseudo-serious... being worse and more boring than that is certainly a very bad thing.
    $hithappen$16 be honest i actually like Mumford & Sons. I don't really care about what genre they belong to or how popular their music is. I just personally enjoy it. I don't quite understand why he dislikes them so much
    For me it's that they take the balls out of the one traditional music genre that should always have loud racket going on and replace it with this indie rock ethos of playing neat and tidy to supposedly sound huge to modern audiences. It doesn't sound bad per se, just musically "blasphemous" and makes me think about why do I bother with these guys when I can listen to the real thing with all the substance these guys lack?
    gimmicky folk music for people who don't like folk.
    The next Coldplay. Annoying, unimaginative, ambient tones that help pop lovers convince themselves that they're deep.
    I think they're better than Coldplay for one reason. Coldplay wrote "Paradise."
    Perhaps, but they're still respectable as a band. It's not like they won the X-Factor and are condemned to making "Here's what will sell, now play it" kinds of songs.
    They're a subpar Avett Brothers. And it's sad that M&S are getting more play than the Avett Bros.
    why does everyone hate mumford and sons so much?
    For real. They are pretty good. Although I think a lot of their stuff sounds exactly the same. I think it is because they are popular, and some people like to hate on popular music regardless if it is quality or not.
    I heard of them online about 3-4 years ago. I had never heard them mentioned anywhere outside of the internet a time or two before that, so I couldn't say their popularity is what makes me dislike them. I think it's just that their music is too ambient, too overtly-serious, too bland, and it sounds more like some annoying music you'd hear in a modern western (which always sounds out of place and distracting, and you find yourself wishing they had just chosen silence/actual ambiance/nature as the soundtrack), as opposed to actual folk music with feeling and meaning that sounds more like music and less like breathy attempts at crooning overtop of strummy chords.
    ah **** I linked to the wrong video again. this is the one I meant to share (hopefully it won't embed the video this time);
    Darth Wader
    Wow, The Fall sound pretty terrible. I would stick with Mumford & Sons any day of the week.
    Dream Pin
    What a douchebag. I don't particularly enjoy Mumford and Sons or anything, but they're competent musicians and their music has a lot of positive energy in it. Watch a video of one of their shows and you won't see anyone starting fights, you'll just see people arm in arm, beaming smiles on their faces, singing songs that they enjoy. Their music brings people TOGETHER rather than driving them apart, whereas this Mark E. Smith guy looks like an embittered old bastard who has nothing good to say about anything. I'll take the music of Mumford and Sons over anything this dead-eyed, shrivelled up, soulless **** has to say.
    Mark E. Smith is by no means a nice guy. He's a ****. But The Fall are amazing, and he is the reason behind that.
    I thought they were Americana, or part of that wave at least. Actually, my definition of folk doesn't really entail Mumford & Sons, but it's a pretty wide term I guess. Seems mostly anything with acoustic guitars and vocal harmonies is folk now anyways.
    Mik3 DeeZy
    Never heard of this guy or his band so I looked them up on YouTube and listened to a few songs. Didn't really care for them.
    Aware of both bands. Indifferent to both (They're both doing their own thing and seem to be happy with it, so more power to them.) Zero ****s given.
    This isn't It's "Ultimate Guitar". Y U KNOW HAVE RESPECT FOR ALL MUSIC AND "LET IT BE"!? Jezuz. I don't see Marcus Mumford prancing around basking in his hipster fame, bragging to anyone, calling people like (Mark E. Smith) a f***ing a**hole like he so rightfully deserves. And stop voting down non metal songs in the tab queue! It's music discrimination! Ya Ba*****ds!
    A guy makes a not too friendly comment about another band... UG sees an opportunity to post an inflammatory article designed to get people arguing.... hmmmmm....
    Darth Wader
    Never heard of The Fall. Mumford & Sons are awesome, though
    "We are the Fall Northern white crap that talks back We are not black. Tall. No boxes for us. Do not **** us. We are frigid stars. We were spitting, we were snapping "Cop Out, Cop Out!" as if from heaven."
    calling them a folk band at all, albeit one suffering from down's syndrome, is too much of a compliment
    Mumford & Sons make really boring music. I was expecting something that was the slightest bit interesting considering how hyped up they are.
    I've got no idea who the hell Mumford and Sons is, who the hell At the Drive In is, but great to hear another The Fall record is coming!
    who dont know what The Fall is: Classical, Frightened, Man whose head expended, How i wrote elastic man, Psycho mafia.. one of the best songs i ever heard, whole "Hex enduction hour" is like Nevermind of punk
    Mumford and sons are Irish? well, there's another thing my country has to be ashamed of ah well, we'll always have Rory Gallagher and thin lizzy
    Mumford and Sons are not Irish. They are from England. Also, most people on this site seem to confuse wanting to be heard by people and "selling out". I am deeply torn because I like this band (Mumford) quite a bit but it seems they have caught fire for hipsters who think they are the next big fad which then feeds the douche machine. When in fact, they are four humble brits who have engaged themselves in quite a few interesting projects - The Dharohar Project in Dehli, India The Railroad Revival Tour with both Old Crow Medicine Show and Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros They have recorded with legendary steel guitar player Jerry Douglas
    They're English. its say's so in the article."I was talking to the promoter who's a mate of mine and said, 'look, don't take the p-ss. You've stuck us next to some mongoloid Irish folk band.' The promoter turns around and says, 'they're number one in your English charts.'
    Last time I checked you didn't need to be an English band to be in the English charts...
    I don't know either of these people.
    The Fall are a UK band, Mark E Smith is the singer. Some (including musician friends of mine whose opinions I very much respect ) call him a genius. You have no doubt heard some of their songs. To you, and those Americans and people too young to have heard them, check out this biography which has interviews with the band and critics, and shows some of their music/videos;
    "Mongoloid" is an archaic medical term for someone with Down's Syndrome. It's no longer used in medical circles. Using it as a term of abuse is not acceptable, and despite my respect for The Fall, I think Mark E Smith is an ***** for using this term.
    Can people with opinions please learn to keep them to themselves? God damn it I hate the internet.
    How can you expect us to refrain from expressing our opinions when you're using your opinion as the reason for us restrain ours?
    So this is bland and boring:
    . Wow, my idea of a pretty song is now like, totally ****ed up.
    If you want a real answer, yes. It sounds like it should be on a contemplative, reflective montage sort of scene from Hell on Wheels. That's not a good thing, to me. I love that show, but I hate the music they use in it. I wish they would use more period-accurate music and not this bland pseudo-traditional stuff.
    So basically the song I find pleasant to hear is dictated by other people who think in their opinion have a better taste in music then me, so in a way Im not allowed to like a song?
    Absolutely not; you like whatever you want. Who cares what other people think? Now you just know that most other people find it quite dreary. One man's trash is another man's treasure, or something like that.
    Thats good to know. I just dont quite get it when a band gets flak and gets labeled hipster and the general feeling it projects is that whatever is labeled that is whatever is not the shit to listen to while in reality Im just hoping for people like you say the stuff you just said. It just doesnt happen very often
    I like a few Mumford
    Son of a bitch. Whole comment didn't work, so I suppose I'll just throw the link to a less boring (after 2:40 of boring) song.
    If any one wants good folk music just listen to The Levellers
    "modern bands like At The Drive-In" BHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHHAAAA Seriously? I know they did a few reunion shows this year for funsies, but AtD-I broke up in 2001.
    That shows you how significant this past 10+ years has been, musically speaking. I thought that, too, but at the same time, I really have no problem with someone calling them a modern band. What has changed since then? The White Stripes and the like came along, and Adele was kind of different for pop music, but what has really changed in the rock music or music in general since then?
    Well I happen to like Mumford and Sons, so frig you guys and your equally valuated opinionS
    I wonder if The Fall or Mr Smith paid UG for this advertisement of their new album?
    so you like folk?? listen to Blackmore's Night, or my favorites Wintersun and Ensiferum, not these indie guys.. whatever.. or maybe some actual straight folk??
    And another turd gets his 5 minutes of fame by bashing a far superior band. Is this really worth publishing? He clearly knew nothing about M&S's when he made that statement.
    Mumford and Sons is a hell of a lot better than The Fall and Coldplay. Marcus is ****ing talented as hell and barely any other musicians that i know of are as coordinated as him. So I'd show a little more respect unless you pull of what he does. Otherwise quit your bitching and either enjoy the music or just don't listen to it. Simple as that.