Chinese Democracy review by Guns N' Roses

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  • Released: Nov 23, 2008
  • Sound: 10
  • Lyrics: 10
  • Overall Impression: 10
  • Reviewer's score: 10 Gem
  • Users' score: 7.2 (847 votes)
Guns N' Roses: Chinese Democracy
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Sound — 10
Guns N' Roses has been moved to the 21st century in style, as Axl Rose & Co. have released an album of stellar material. Sure, you will get the old-school fans who will say "It's not GnR", or "It doesn't sound the same". I say to those people, free up your mind and listen a little more before you make up your mind. I used to think the new Guns N' Roses sucked hard, until I saw 'Better' performed live, which totally changed my opinion on the band. Axl's proven to the world that he is an amazing song writing talent, composing some of his best work (and GnR as a whole) on this album. Tracks such as "There Was A Time", "Better" and "This I Love", stand up among GnR's best. The production is stellar, and is a real strong point on the album, with every instrument and factor getting the spotlight at some point in the album, with no flaky sound, but all crisp and clear. New guitarists Bumblefoot, Richard Fortus and Robin Finck (not forgetting Buckethead, even though he has left the band, some parts still remain on the album) have a great chemistry, both live and in the studio, where their respective parts seem to melt together in an incredibly smooth fashion. 01.Chinese Democracy: the title track, surprisingly, is one of the album's weaker tracks. It's got some great guitar work, and I am loving Bumblefoot's fretless rhythm guitar during the verses, however the chorus doesn't jump out at you with a catchy hook to keep you interested. Great guitar solo courtesy of Buckethead, and Axl sounds great. My only real issue is with the lyrics, they are definitely the weakest point. No catchy chorus section, and an odd reference to masturbation in the middle. Good track, but not the best. Good opener and first single though, in my opinion. 8/10 02.Shackler's Revenge: ever since the track was leaked in demo form before it's official release on Rock Band 2, Shackler's Revenge has come on in leaps and bounds. The audio is far crisper, with a nice crunch in the guitar, with Axl's voice totally dominating the track, which isn't that bad, seeing as this is one of Axl's strongest vocal tracks on the album. The chorus is stadium-worthy mega rock at it's finest, with some fantastically catchy singing. The solo seems to fly off to nowhere in the first few seconds, but then it tidies up and sounds nice, with a brilliant sweep to tap run in the end. Not the best song on the album, very avant-garde with an industrial flair, great if you're into that kind of thing. I think it rocks though. 9/10 03.Better: the best raw rock song on the album, no doubt. If you're looking for a song to bring you back to the sheer punch and drama of old Guns, this is it. Axl is amazing, just simply amazing on this track, with a fantastic rhythm section, a wall of guitars, bass and drums that hits you hard. Some awesome sweeps and shred runs in this song by, and Bumblefoot has put some licks into the verse and chorus, to add a 4th dimension to an already brilliant track. This is one incredible song, easily one of my favourites on the album. The two bridge sections are defiantly catchy, with an amazing, blues ridden solo in the final section by Robin Finck. A solo worthy of the massive gap Slash left in the band, no doubt. 10/10 04.Street Of Dreams: the first ballad of many on album. Axl's wail is present and correct on this one, hitting some notes we long forgot he could hit. The rhythm guitar accompanies the piano perfectly, with a lovely crunch and some riffs in there challenging the crashing piano for dominance. A track renamed from it's old codename "The Blues", the blues really does ring out in this one, with sped up blues licks, an excellent solo ringing out between verses, and some great vocal melodies. A great all rounder, some good lyrics. Gorgeous melodies, and a huge Elton John influence can be heard in this song. Loving this one. 10/10 05.If The World: a slick song, totally fit for a modern soundtrack to city life. The bass line is infectious, a simple "ba dum, ba dum ba dum" ringing through the whole song. It's sounds like a kind of mix between Audioslave and Rodrigo y Gabriela, with some fantastic Middle Eastern/Spanish guitar from Buckethead to complement the bass and distorted guitar. There's a surprisingly energetic solo in there too by Buckethead. Couple the instrumental section with Axl's soaring vocals and this one's a winner. Especially check out the la, na na na bridge. You'll be hooked. 10/10 06.There Was A Time: the song opens up with this weird choir style bit at the start, but once Axl's voice kicks in it's a brilliant track straight away. Right from the word go, there are guitars matching the notes Axl is singing and the bass and drums are the perfect fit and lend the song a tense, edgy and modern feel. The whole thing is one massive wall of sound that attacks and keeps you immersed in the music, and is one of the best tracks on the album. The guitar solos are amazing, with some of Buckethead's best work he has ever done, (yes, that's including his solo material) and the outro solo is an orgasmic wah wah, clean sound behemoth that I cannot get out of my head! Seriously, it's so catchy it will stick with you. This song is worth it for the guitar alone, but add Axl, and the rest of the freaking band, and you have an instant, unforgettable, smashing classic. 10/10 07.Catcher In The Rye: this song blows my mind. If they had re-mastered Brian May's guitar solo of course it would have been even better, but still, this track is good anyway, with Bumblefoot's newly added solos taking up residence. Axl is on top form here, hitting all the right notes, with some fantastic melodies, the rhythm guitar is suitably thick but not over done, with some fantastic blues chords and licks played during the course of the song, lending it a real old school, classic rock tone. It's one great track lyrics wise too, e.g "How a body took a body and gave that boy a gun... " really stands out. One of my favourites on the album, and shows that no matter what anybody says, Axl Rose can still craft great songs. 10/10 08.Scraped: the opening harmony is cool, although it threw off most of my friends, who are hardcore GnR-heads, but straight after that harmony there are some bone crunching riffs, the heaviest song so far on the record. I see this song as a spiritual successor to Out Ta Get Me off the Appetite for Destruction album, although it's superior in every way. The lyrics contain the same rebellious f*** you connotations, with the same crunch on the guitars, and a fantastic solo. The drums have a 'Dom Howard from Muse' feel to them, which is no bad thing. It's clear to see that Axl's been paying close attention to the modern rock scene and how he can adapt himself to that style of hard rock around nowadays, some bombastic drums and riffs. Overall, good track, but compared to most of what follows it pales it comparison. 9/10 09.Riad N' The Bedouins: odd title, you say? Nothing odd about this song. One of the most straightforward rocks on the album, albeit with a rather drawn out intro. As soon as the main riff kicks in, the song demands that you take it seriously, and Axl soars over the mix, with a screaming Aaaaaaaaah that sounds so definitive of an overblown rock track. The solo simply screams Slash! too in the first few seconds, and then Bumblefoot melts your face with a stupidly catchy lick towards the song's closing moments, and Buckethead provides the outro. Overall, one of the albums great rockers, certainly better than the title track anyway. Very strong vocals, which took me a bit by surprise, I have to say. The high rating is mostly for those awesome, awesome vocals that accompany the main riff though. 9/10 10.Sorry: this song is the much lauded epic Sebastian Back was on about. "It has the rawness of Appetite, but the scale and grandiosity of November Rain". This song is a great reminder of what Axl set out to do, and that was to carry GnR intact to the modern age, which I think in this track more so than others, he does with a great flair. It really is a new Guns N' Roses epic, and easily stands up with songs on the ballad-heavy Use Your Illusion albums, in my humble opinion. Buckethead here proves to the world he is a unique talent, and can do any and every style. On this track alone, he shifts from blues, to classic rock, to metal, to classic rock again. Possibly (whisper it) the best song on the album. I don't know. 10/10 11.I.R.S: the weakest song on the album, which says a lot, seeing as it's not half bad. It's the only song on the album to even nearly sound like old GnR too, so it'll please old school fans too. I long for raspier vocals on this one, if we got that it might have been up there with Better as a classic track. As it is, the vocals are a bit weak, with Axl almost like he's trying too hard to get those notes he got back in the day. If he re-recorded it in mid-2007, there's not a doubt in my mind it would have been one of the best tracks vocals-wise. Cracking solo from Robin Finck and Buckethead, which add a lot to the song, but that alone can't solve the disappointment that was the vocals. Some really great lyrics though. It's a tough track to rate, I'm stuck between a 7/8 out of 10. 12.Madagascar: the dark horse of the album. It's the first one to be played live, and is the song that should take the blame for haters calling Guns N' Roses a hip hop band. However, this does not make it a bad song. It's got an extremely catchy synth hook at the start, and the hippity hoppity drum beat is awesome, no matter what the haters say. Also, Axl's vocals suit the song to a tee, but they are a bit weak. Nonetheless, I like it. Buckethead adds some great solo guitar in the verses, which pairs up with Axl's voice fantastically. The Martin Luther King Jr. speech and excerpts from Cool Hand Luke and Seven are a bit much, but they add so much to the album's already overly dramatic sound that I find it hard to dock points for this. The speech sections drown out a lot of the guitar work put on at the same time, which is a shame. Not my favourite song on the record, but it's deserved of a solid 9/10. 13.This I Love: for me, this is the best song on the entire album. It's the closest to Axl Rose we have ever gotten, opening with just Axl and some piano, singing some truly heartfelt lyrics. You can hear from Axl's voice that he really means what he's singing. Fantastic song, and a great showcase for his talents. It's pure ballad of Freddie Mercury proportions up until roughly two and a half minutes in, where Robin Finck lets fly with a distortion riddled, fabulous solo that echoes previous work by Slash on November Rain, with a great hook to reel the listener in. Some great vocal harmonies, innovative melodies, and a really stripped back track that puts truth to the phrase, less is more. 10/10 14.Prostitute: a heart warming album closer. The song kicks off with a little riff and unusual vocal melody, and seems like an immediate letdown as the closing song. From here on in though, the song is packed full of rich layers of sound, with Chris Pitman's finest synth work on the album, and some great piano from Axl, and two great solos from Buckethead. Axl's vocals are sharp and tight, with some simple yet effective rhythms from Richard Fortus and Finck. The solo is a face-melter courtesy of Buckethead, and the way Axl's piano fades out in the closing moments is perfect. Really great song, one of the album's best, and the perfect closer to an album such as this. 10/10

Lyrics — 10
Axl's singing on the record is far better than most had anticipated. Sure, he doesn't have the same old sound he had back in the 80's or early 90's, but that's what age does to you. He has aged. Even though it shows at parts, he still retains some most of the growl and scream that made him famous, and some of the vocals on this album are among the best in his entire career, when he adapts his voice to keep up with the frenetic music. Great vocals overall, especially on tracks like Better, Shackler's Revenge, This I Love, and There Was A Time. On This I Love's vocal track he sounds as good as if not better than he did in 1991, he's really that good. You won't find vocals as atrocious as the 2002 VMA awards ceremony, I can tell you that much. The lyrics as a whole are quite good, and certainly reflect Axl's odd experiences of the past 15 years. The lyrics fit with the music quite well, something a lot of people didn't see coming due to the new change in musical direction, which I see to be a big credit to the various musicians that have worked on the album, that they crafted something to fit Axl's vision for the lyrics and music. Lyrics get a 10 out of 10, with some greatly insightful lyrics detailing every day of the agonising past 15 years. Axl has written some fantastic lyrics, especially on tracks like "Sorry" and "This I Love", and shows he can still write an intelligent song, a fun party song, and a blast out rocker, and pick and choose words to suit each one. Fantastic.

Overall Impression — 10
OK, it's been a long and hard 15 years for every GnR fan. The simply unbearable length of time it took for Axl Rose to finish Chinese Democracy hurt. Blows have been dealt (tentative release date of March 6, 2007, for example), and gifts given (Shackler's Revenge on Rock Band 2), but in my humble opinion, it's all been worth it. The long wait is finally over, and I have never heard such a satisfying result. The new songs are fantastic, and easily stand up to the great Appetite for Destruction, GnR Lies and Use Your Illusions albums. Well worth checking out, and as a music fan you almost owe it to yourself to hear the myth that is Chinese Democracy. I can safely say there is at least one song for everybody on this album, of that I am sure. Ever since I bought it on launch day, it has been on repeat in the car, on the bus, walking, in my bedroom, everywhere I have a CD player or some headphones. If you do buy the album and you are not satisfied, take Axl's advice give it "some more Patience". It'll grow on you.

56 comments sorted by best / new / date

    SERIALTRENDKILL
    stop complaining. the album was awesome, and light years ahead of all these shit bands they clog up all he radio's airplay today. everyone should support this album, motley crue, motorhead, metallica, and AC/DC in an all out effort to bring talented/real music back..
    J.Wilson-Solo
    I've loved GNR since i was well born haha,first thing i ever listened to,and well i don't hate this CD but i don't Love it.But there are few songs on here i really love,like I love Chinese Democracy,and Shacklers Revenge is ok,like if you didn't make most of the guitar sound like shit
    Rokeman
    kmchipower wrote: oh yeah, everyone listen to the lyrics of "Sorry" carefully... no one has said anything about it yet...but i think its obvious that hes talking to scott weiland...and maybe slash at the same time
    i don't think it would be directed to Scott. but maybe to former members... "Sorry" works a lot better if Axl was directing it at himself in my opinion.
    kool98769
    Guys... I really enjoyed slash's absence. This stuff is way too modern for slash's classic rock-y riffs. I'm glad they seperated, because AXL has a completely different musical direction.
    Symmetry4321
    I can honestly say that the only three tracks i liked were "Chinese Demoracy", "Sheckler's revenge" and "There was a Time". The rest just bored the living hell out of me or (like "This i Love or Prostitute") annoyed the living hell out of me
    benjibreeg
    first review is bullshit. If the world is an amazing track once it kicks into your head..really groovy song.
    bazman13
    wchizm wrote: to ppl those who think guns n roses is axl and friends and wat not.....do u call velvet revolver slash n duff featuring friends jst coz they left gnr and formed nother band?
    no, we call them velvet revolver, diff band, diff name. simple as that. if you were in a band and everyone left and it was only you, would you carry on with the same band name?
    GrayFoxz
    If Axl was as humble as a noble, the only reason that he kept the GNR name would be that he found the name sentimental LOL . I guess the biggest problem with that and this album would be people comparing it with previous GNRs albums (when the band was with it's finest line-up) and since it isn't in the same league as that, people dubbed this album as bad. But having said that, this isn't worth the how many donkey years we've waited.
    DOA24
    nofishxing wrote: ALLCINGI wrote: F@#! the Haters .If you dont like it dont listen to it . F@#! music critics too .F@#! all the people that bought this album and then BITCH about it.I'm sorry for you ,not sorry for me.BUNCHA'BITCH'ASS'HOES'YOU'ALL'IS'BE'DAMN'IM'OUT'LATE and THIS is why the current generation sucks. wish i wasnt part of it. you all is be damn im out late. what. the hell. i think you have to TRY to sound that uneducated.
    Ironic
    [x]Huffy[x]
    EncoreProducer wrote: [x]Huffy[x] wrote: ^ 17 years. I quite like Chinese Democracy. It surprised me quite a bit. not 17 not 14, 10 YEARS it wasnt worked on sice right after illusions OR right after Spaghetti Incident it started in 98 and its ****ing retarded that people wanna bash Axl so bad that they dont get their facts straight and to all those bitching "it's not gnr blah blah blah" who gives a **** if he called it GnR Axl can call it whatever the **** he wants Slash quit and made shitty velvet revolver albums with duff and matt congrats to them on making shit and being stuck in the past, this IS guns n roses because Axl IS guns n roses **** off the albums great go back to ****ing 1987 if you're to scared of a ****ing change
    I lol at thee, dear fanboy. I think you'll find that its the other way round. Velvet Revolver changed. Axl still thinks he has as many fans as he did in 1987. And I wasn't bashing Axl, you complete idiot. I was praising the album.
    mafiaman20
    live2rock wrote: mafiaman20 wrote: I think the average person who knows I thing or two about music can appreciate that this is an Axl project despite having the GnR name, if you cant look past that and take the music for what it is, im sorry but your just a spanner. Does that mean you agree with me? Sorry its late where i am and feeling groggy!
    Yes i agree with you, people need to stop being snobs and open thier ears to the new guns n roses and effectively forget about the GnR of old, becasue its simpily not the same band anymore and never will be.
    not_dead_enough
    ##### OK GUYS HERE'S A BETTER COMPARISON: Chinese Democracy vs Saints of Los Angeles Whatcha all think??
    PoP N FresH
    first review was about right.....its really boring in parts, but has moments.....rather listen to something that soinds complete than this. wont be coming back for more.
    DownNdirtyRockG
    not_dead_enough wrote: ##### OK GUYS HERE'S A BETTER COMPARISON: Chinese Democracy vs Saints of Los Angeles Whatcha all think??
    Dude SAINTS OF LOS ANGELES all the way for me!!!!! it is an awesome album. Because it is all original members doing what they do and have always done best.
    Nigzy
    I think it lacks tone..you can tell Slash isnt there instantly
    StringsofBlack
    Wow the guy from the second review completely just copied and pasted the review from Rolling Stone magazine. Good job jackass!
    ServantofBurzum
    I don't understand Axel. I don't really like Slash, but no one can deny that he's a legendary guitarist. Why would Axel kick him and all the other members out of the band? It's nice that they're changing how they sound though. Should not have gotten rid of Buckethead. I'm no fan of rock music really, but Velvet Revolver DOES NOT suck. They make good rock music even if it isnt very agressive.
    josemontero
    To be perfectly honest, this album is quite good in comparison to other recent releases. However,it is doomed. The reason? Everyone is expecting the album to kick ass in the same way as youse your illusion and that is a mistake. This album is the evolution of Guns N Roses, so dont expect the same old hard rock style. You need to let bands change and evolve their sounds otherwise we will have the same music/sounds for ever.
    MoleMania
    Brilliant album. However, if Axl had called his group something other than guns n roses it would of had a much better reception. All those crappy "it's not GNR" comments would never exist.
    hawkdude9
    i actually like this album...i feel outnumbered lol guns n roses will never be the same-nobody should've thought they could live up to the expectations. bands need to grow and evolve and since this is such a sudden turn since use your illusions, it's strange for people to listen to it...
    Shread_6009
    if you didnt notice, one of the reviews is copy/pasted from a review from a web-site(rolling stones if im not mistaken) some people are just to lazy to do their own. Hope UG will notice the copywright infringement in time
    Pr0teZT
    I love it ! The songwriting and playing is incredible on this album.
    kmchipower
    oh yeah, everyone listen to the lyrics of "Sorry" carefully... no one has said anything about it yet...but i think its obvious that hes talking to scott weiland...and maybe slash at the same time
    Brendan.Clace
    The riff at the beginning of Shackler's Revenge is clearly from Dig by Mudvayne.... if you dont see that, then you are blind. I'm sorry.... but this is NOT the GnR im used to and a WASTE of 20 years coming..... I am a HUGE GnR fan....but this just sucks....
    EncoreProducer
    [x]Huffy[x] wrote: EncoreProducer wrote: [x]Huffy[x] wrote: ^ 17 years. I quite like Chinese Democracy. It surprised me quite a bit. not 17 not 14, 10 YEARS it wasnt worked on sice right after illusions OR right after Spaghetti Incident it started in 98 and its ****ing retarded that people wanna bash Axl so bad that they dont get their facts straight and to all those bitching "it's not gnr blah blah blah" who gives a **** if he called it GnR Axl can call it whatever the **** he wants Slash quit and made shitty velvet revolver albums with duff and matt congrats to them on making shit and being stuck in the past, this IS guns n roses because Axl IS guns n roses **** off the albums great go back to ****ing 1987 if you're to scared of a ****ing change I lol at thee, dear fanboy. I think you'll find that its the other way round. Velvet Revolver changed. Axl still thinks he has as many fans as he did in 1987. And I wasn't bashing Axl, you complete idiot. I was praising the album.
    i know you werent bashing the album but people who do seem to always say 17 or 14 years i simply quoted yours cuz it said 17 years. and velvet revolver really didnt change nething except their music got shitty and old really fast while how can you say axl has remained the same he never said oh im as big now as bag there but even if he did that has nothing to do with the music once again i know you liked the album just saying people need to get facts
    sav46e
    what Im about to say is gonna sound crazy, but nearly rvry song sounds a bit rushed. more so that its trying to get to the end as soon as it starts rather than that they rushed the recording though. few decent songs. prob need to listen to it a bit more to get into the tracks. Just seem bit industrial for me. like their is a constant noise in the background that doesnt need to be there
    Hobo279
    ok, really... I listened to this album for kicks. I thought you know, MAYBE if you give the guy 14 years he's bound to come up with something decent. maybe. well, even considering my low, low standards for axl, i was disappointed. it was that terrible. I hate that "overproduced" sound, and this album, as one would expect, reeks of it. I heard soo much hype about the song "this is love," virtually everyone I talked to loved it, even those like me who hated the album. So i listened to that track. and it was pretty good. until the much talked about "solo" in the middle. first of all, the guitar sounds like it's coming out of a multi-effects processor. Secondly, to say it "echoes slash's sound" is laughable. It has maybe a fifth of the soul of slash's worst. good effort, axl. but go crawl in a hole where you belong.
    kmchipower
    to the people constantly crying that this is not gnr, its axl solo record...you're right...now SHUT UP!!! this is a VERY good record that falls just short of great because there aren't enough truly WOW moments. But the entire album is pretty WOW all the way through. nothing but good songs, not a bad song in sight (well there better not be given it took 17 years for this thing to come out). and it does sound like gnr...but it sounds only like the axl part of gnr obviously...which means...genius lyrics, genius melodies, and genius voice(s).
    thirdeye_15
    Yeh this is kik ass, im happy with the results fuk every1 dont give a fuk bout shit man, this is good music, would i wait 17 years for any artists album, mayb Tool , Radiohead, or even Between the Buried and Me, but at the same time i dont htink i would sit and wait for much for 17 years, and i still enjoi this cd . Atleast i get to hear it, Fuk off ppl
    Tenacious Z
    Coming from someone who isn't really a GnR fan, this album is a pretty decent rock record. I enjoyed it.
    stratdud39
    I hate to say it but this album aint half bad. its actually really good, i really like the guitar. sort of sounds like its copying buckethead though. i might go out and buy it
    rottened23
    i don't know what everyone is saying im loving this cd ...atleast its better than anything velvet revolver has ever made
    Crillz
    Each of the GnR albums were different, this ones just Slightly more different - people shouldn't say its not GnR just because it sounds different - and yes the others will be missed (steven more than matt tho) but you've just got to accept they aren't getting back together, they have! O yeah and pretty good album, not brilliant but still good
    MetalGear1786
    You guys writing reviews except the first guy are all ass kissers! This album dosen't desirve more then a 6.5 7 at best. Its worth buying, but its not some real acomplishment or anything. Get Slash and Duff back and you will have a album worth a 9.
    xSUNxOFxNOTHING
    Chimpy101 wrote: I'd rather listen to this than to Appetite For Destruction (although maybe that's just because it is new material), and it is certainly a stronger album than UYI 1 and 2
    you have the worst taste in music my friend Use Your Illusion 1 & 2 had epic songs, although as a whole they were mediocre and Appetite is one of the best albums...every song on there is awesome
    powerstroke
    Honestly, this was one of the worst albums i've ever heard. Ever. This I love is a horrible song. Listen to the Dracula musical in Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Axle sounds just like that the whole ****ing album. I've listened to the whole thing twice only to be more disappointed with each listen. I can honestly say Axle should have never released this and at least preserve Guns n' Roses legacy instead of ruining it.
    powerstroke
    Ps what the **** is up with most of the drum beats? They sound all synthesized and crap. I enjoy listening to that if I'm listening to NIN or some Radiohead, but thats not GnR. I know some people disagree with me, but I've yet to actually meet anyone who has had one good thing to say about it. (My roommate and his sisters' favorite band is GnR. They enjoy every song made by them and they think that this is the worst album ever.)
    BMTH666
    I don't like this album at all. They got rid of all the good band members and replaced them with these idiots. Guns N Roses old stuff is way better than their new stuff. If they would've kept they members it would've been WAY better
    JesterShred
    It's good, i have listened to it alot, infact i still am, but no offense, black ice was boring, especially compared to this album. This album would have been a great deal better if 1 thing had happened: he hadn't kept the name Guns and roses... because it's not. it's not even close to the same mentality that any of the other records they have show, he should have called it something like "Axl's Wank-Fest" then it would have been kick ass, but it's pretty run of the mill, and for something as great as guns and roses, it just doesn't quite cut it.
    Richycinsideme
    Gunpowder wrote: This isn't GN'R; it's not a bad album, but this band can't rightly call itself GN'R. Did anyone else who played even get writer's credit?
    yes look at the liner credits in the album cover over 10 people got writer credits