Finding Beauty In Negative Spaces review by Seether

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  • Released: Oct 23, 2007
  • Sound: 5
  • Lyrics: 7
  • Overall Impression: 6
  • Reviewer's score: 6 Neat
  • Users' score: 9 (159 votes)
Seether: Finding Beauty In Negative Spaces
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Sound — 5
Seether's post grunge sound is somewhat bemusing in the midst of emo's sustained popularity. It is therefore necessary to commend the South Africans for sticking inexorably to their guns and avoiding a genre change. Finding Beauty in Negative Spaces begins on a placid but tense note with Welgemoed's crooned vocals being complemented by a smoothly picked guitar section, before the rhythm section kicks in. It seems a peculiar way to start an album, almost with a nostalgic, reflective nature; soothing, yes, but innovative? The plaudits have to be awarded to Seether for their single Fake It. The band offers their take on a swing feel; the rhythm section is particularly potent in this area. If Finding Beauty in Negative Spaces sells a million albums on the back of this single, it wouldn't be surprising. In a negative light, the sound seems to wear thin on tracks such as Breakdown. The guitar sounds processed and although I can't be sure if Seether used Pro-Tools on this album, the sound is very digitalised. There's no spontaneity or rough edge that can be heard on most great rock records. Although FMLYHM seems to be passionate at face value, I feel that Seether is recycling old Nirvana sounds, and adding them to Nickelback's radio friendly rock. It's driving music. Everything sounds better when you're driving because the engine noise distracts the listener.

Lyrics — 7
Seether is very standard and formulaic lyrically. Whether or not Welgemoed's delivery is pleasing to the ear is a different story altogether. The delivery of the vocals is lacking in conviction and this doesn't seem to be a very 'live' record. This sounds like a typical American alt. Rock record of modern music. They're South African, one would hope for these guys to offer a sonically attention-grabbing and diverse album. Furthermore, the lyrical topic of No Jesus Christ is somewhat I'll conceived, unwarranted and poorly written. The incredible idiocy of the repeated line, No Jesus Christ truly exhibits an ignorance seen only in those who don't know what they believe in so choose to criticise the beliefs of others. Unlike the Philosophers of the Age of Enlightenment, Seether offers no alternative to Religion. Of course, I could be missing the point, but the song just seems to be in poor taste. Perhaps it was written to convey that God allows for awful things to happen and shouldn't (Family loss since Welgemoed's brother passed away prior to the album's release). In any case, the song is not what best represents this album. However, Seether redeem themselves in what I perceive to be an attack on the increasing tendency to go under the knife for cosmetic purposes on Fallen: They got injections for the facial lines, break out the scalpel keep the nose defined. In the spirit of rhyme, this is almost faultless in it's ingenuity. Seether is very hit and miss, but I feel that it is not the lyrics that are the problem, but the conviction on certain songs. Of course, the death of Welgemoed's brother delayed the album and sources seem to agree that some songs were written in honour of him. It is an honest record, but perhaps the more honest songs are those, which were written after this cruel loss.

Overall Impression — 6
Seether's fifth album should prove to be satisfactory to the band's existing audience, but may not attract new listeners. The rhythm section is far more spontaneous than many may be willing to admit, but the guitar tone is generic and typical of the genre. Typically, the bass and the drums give the songs a great sense of groove and fluidity, almost subsidising the great cost at which the guitar were recorded. The standout tracks include Like Suicide, Fake It and 6 Gun Quota. Seether isn't innovative, but for a long drive in the morning traffic and congestion, it's a great record.

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    JEEtoP
    Reviews like this amuse me. First off, why is everything these days considered a failure if its not 'innovative'. Also the song No Jesus Christ is clearly referring to an opinion of someone, the full line is "You're no Jesus Christ". Seether are very good at what they do, I think the music is great and are an inspiration to me. It just pisses me off that because someone doesn't care for their music, they feel that is a reason to criticise the people and their work. Grow up
    bokuho
    It's a 'meh' album. Some good tracks, some kind of dull, nothing's especially great but nothing is especially bad either. I think Seether are still a long way off being a top-quality group, but there's a lot worse out there too and generally they do a good job. Whether they sound like another band or reading into meanings in song lyrics is another matter. If Seether were a bigger band, I could see how this stuff would matter, but as it stands I don't think Seether make enough of an impact anyway to warrent the bickering and questioning. Just take them for what they are: fairly decent background rock music.
    Missino
    It's a fact that Seether doesn't sound anything like Nirvana (Who had no musical quality what-so-ever).
    nolanxxx
    stop making excuses this guys right, seethers allright, but not great, they are solid but not inovative, i've heard a lot of stuff exactly like them before. dont have a Bitc h fit
    nolanxxx
    i can listen to them if it was on the radio in the car...i'd never buy there cd, go to their show, or even download their stuff
    Randy_Rhoads44
    the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoeds crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about before you post!!!!!
    skocotic
    i love seether. and ive seen them four times already. i understand that they sound alot like nirvana and somehow that bothers alot of people, but they are not trying to rip them off in anyway. but they do some kickass nirvana covers.
    ss311
    Well actually, the singer's full name... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Morga... [quo te]Randy_Rhoads44 wrote: Shows how much you know about this band. the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoeds crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about before you post!!!!![/quote]
    Shywalk329
    *AHEM* Thank you Tim mahoney. They have minimal talent. But somehow they get by.
    jmag
    Randy_Rhoads44 wrote: the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoeds crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about before you post!!!!!
    Shaun Morgan Welgemoed. F ucking idiot.
    kur4maru
    I still can't understand why people that dont like seether come here to talk sh*t about them, F*ck don't like, don't talk end of storie
    Gtar-o-mania
    I have no idea what this album is like, but that Cover is totally stolen from Infected Mushrooms Vicious Delicious! (The little girl.. There is no star on the real cover) http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=ht... ael-music.com/b/10123308.jpg&imgrefurl=http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=ht... ael-mus ic.com/infected_mushroom/vicious_delicious/&h=431&w=435&sz=4 8&hl=da&start=11&um=1&tbnid=YI4-vFaW2iHRhM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=12 6&prev=/images%3Fq%3DVicious%2BDelicious%2BCover%26svnum%3D1 0%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dda%26sa%3DN
    mantis_714
    the band is awsome in concert, i love how people bash them, like wheres your cd, thats right you dont have one, so talk crap about others while you cant even play in a bar!
    Switchmunky7
    As a South African I am proud of Seether for waving the flag for us in the States. So for those of you who diss them you diss the 50000 + South Africans who truely appreciate the efforts they have put in.
    Gtar-o-mania
    Gtar-o-mania wrote: I have no idea what this album is like, but that Cover is totally stolen from Infected Mushrooms Vicious Delicious! (The little girl.. There is no star on the real cover) http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=ht... ael-music.com/b/10123308.jpg&imgrefurl=http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=ht... ael-mus ic.com/infected_mushroom/vicious_delicious/&h=431&w=435&sz=4 8&hl=da&start=11&um=1&tbnid=YI4-vFaW2iHRhM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=12 6&prev=/images%3Fq%3DVicious%2BDelicious%2BCover%26svnum%3D1 0%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dda%26sa%3DN
    BAd link sorry.. This is the real one.. http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=ht...
    LordThon
    I wouldn't say the cover's "stolen". Same artist, different image. I found No Jesus Christ to be a direct statement towards an individual person believing themself to be some sort of saviour. It's not necessarily about religion. I really enjoy this album. It's...what should have gone between Disclaimer (II) and Karma and Effect, in terms of style.
    anty
    its not someones opinion, its a new age christian trying to spark his daily doseage of smartass to a song he knows nothing about, what does the bible say about judging?
    Mass_debator
    Switchmunky, let's not turn Seether into sacred cows here. Yes they managed to get bigger than the South African "music scenetjie" and yes they worked hard but that doesn't absolve them from standard level criticism. I haven't heard this yet but if they put out an average album they deserve to be criticised as such. Simple. They don't get off just because they're South African. I would much rather see our bands rising to international prominence based on the merit of their work. Bands like the Horror Cast or manINsuit that create their own sound and write really, really good songs as well. Fokofpolisiekar deserve to be recognised internationally perhaps more than any other SA band.
    flea878
    Missino wrote: It's a fact that Seether doesn't sound anything like Nirvana (Who had no musical quality what-so-ever).
    Are you an idiot? How can that be fact?? Fair enough if you don't think theres much of a similarity (despite the fact there are musical similarities and seether have said themselves nirvana were a huge influence), but that doesnt make it fact. I really like seether, thought they were great live, and i hope this review is wrong
    Mr.Garreth
    Randy_Rhoads44 wrote: the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoeds crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about before you post!!!!!
    Wow your stupid. If you knew anything about the band or lead singer, you would know his real surname IS Welgemoed. He changed it to Morgan (his middle name) due to him worrying that Americans wouldnt be able to pronounce it or remember it. So I think it is you who is in need of proper research. Drol.
    xyour_name_here
    idc what u people think...i love seether...if it wasnt for them i would of never of even picked up a guitar
    mosh_rocker2006
    What does he mean when he says "The guitar sounds processed and although I cant be sure if Seether used Pro-Tools on this album, the sound is very digitalised." Pretty sure that's a false statement there. Pro Tools is the music industry standard just to let you know. As for Seether...I loved their first album but ever since then it seems like they have a few good songs and leave it at that, which sucks because I love the comparisons between them and Nirvana...oh well...
    LordThon
    That, and, when one listens to Breakdown, it's quite obvious that the guitars are MEANT to sound that way. Gives a very distinct feel to the song.
    CJRocker
    I think this is a pretty good album, and at least as good as their last. If you don't like post grunge/alt metal don't buy it, simple as that.
    Westbro
    Randy_Rhoads44 wrote: the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoeds crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about before you post!!!!!
    You're amazing.
    bigjbesson
    First: Just because Seether happen to sound like Nirvana is not a bad thing since that is their main influence. Second: The song "No, Jesus Christ" was written before his brothers death and can be taken as an attempt to discover what one believes. Third: Seether sounds like Seether and you can't that without changing the entire band, therefore becoming something entirely not Seether. Fourth: The genre Seether are placed in is known for the lack of guitar. They are guitar minimalists for the most part using the guitar to back up melodies. Overall you should do some research and maybe listen to the bands other CDs first.
    Evgenij
    This album cover is almost identical to Vicious Delicious. It looks like they photoshopped a few things out and moved the hue/saturation slider a little. Great.
    MrYoshida
    Switchmunky7 wrote: As a South African I am proud of Seether for waving the flag for us in the States. So for those of you who diss them you diss the 50000 + South Africans who truely appreciate the efforts they have put in.
    Ok so how should I go about that? Seether is terrible and so are the 50,000+ South Africans that like them. Good?
    zreb
    JEEtoP wrote: It just pisses me off that because someone doesn't care for their music, they feel that is a reason to criticise the people and their work. Grow up
    I'd like to hear an example of another situation you would give criticism in. Oh, that's right. People only ever criticize things when there's something they don't like about them. "Grow up" is an ironic phrase to read in your comment.
    dragon88
    SSEETHER ROCKS!!!!! I have every cd and they only get better. I realy dont care what the revew seas thery my fav and always will be.
    CJRocker
    JEEtoP wrote: Reviews like this amuse me. First off, why is everything these days considered a failure if its not 'innovative'. Also the song No Jesus Christ is clearly referring to an opinion of someone, the full line is "You're no Jesus Christ". Seether are very good at what they do, I think the music is great and are an inspiration to me. It just pisses me off that because someone doesn't care for their music, they feel that is a reason to criticise the people and their work. Grow up
    Well put.
    dingo356
    i love seether they are my biggest inspiration and i love nirvana but anyone can tell them apart yes they do sound similar but if you have had trillions of bands obviously some will sound the same either way seether fucing rock and to the reviewer if this is what you think then ok but i believe your so wrong.
    laxkid2
    dude. this cd f***** rocks. i love fake it. this cd is a really good one for seether. i cant wait until i can see them in concert.
    Xecks13
    Ive always really enjoyed their music... as everyone is saying it is not groundbreaking and they will never be my favorite band... but I have disclaimer and karma and effect and both are two of the few cds where when any song comes on I wont skip it
    Xecks13
    *Basically I believe they are good at what they try to be.. nothing more.. nothing less.. (and no this is not a Nirvana clone)
    LordThon
    Anarion614 wrote: Who the hell is Welgemoed?
    This has been covered. Shaun Morgan's full name is Shaun Morgan Welgemoed.
    awsomeguitarguy
    im still waitin for the album to be delivered 2 my house, and I cant believe this guy rated this so badly, Ive heard 3 of the songs on this album and they kick ass, also I saw them live and that kicked ass too
    zreb
    The album seems to get a lot of attention from vicious fan-*****s. As someone who has listened to the Disclaimer/K&E albums over and over religiously, I have to say that Finding Beauty in Negative Spaces is a major kick in the ass to people who really enjoyed Seether's heavy style. The article commending the band for "sticking to their guns" is making me wonder which album the author(s) actually listened to. Majorly disappointing to those who loved the sound of the older albums. If they replaced the vocalist with someone else, I would think it was by a completely different band sooner than I would go "sounds like Seether with a different vocalist."
    ready2breakdown
    I like Seether, but I honestly like some of the different directions that the explored as Saron Gas. I REALLY wish they would throw some of those in there too! But I am still crazy about the first two albums(I don't really consider Disclaimer II an album, more like a bonus EP/LP combo). Karma And Effect is better, but they've both got their pluses and minuses. I can see what the reviewer means, but I think that Seether has much more edge to them than other "typical American Alternative Metal bands." Like their almost an outcast to that scene even. but whatever he's obviously smarter than me. Check out Saron Gas if you can manage to get your hands on it! It really is a great debut CD. I can totally understand how they got signed from it!
    Lgndkllr777
    I prefer this CD to the rest. Karma/Effect was probably my least favorite, Disclaimer I/II were great.
    Switchmunky7
    Mr Yoshida, bet you feel like a real man after that comment? Do yourself and your small member a favour and go blow chunks up your ass! MassDebator, i'm not holding them up as sacred cows, i support our guys through and through and one band on your list i would support is man in suit, i personally am not a big fan of horrorcast. I respect seether for taking themselves to the states cause that is a tough market and to make three albums and be remotely successful is damn good shit.
    lakers&steelers
    Im just throwin this out there and you can take it for wat its worth but i think that seether is freakin awesome and this albumn is just as great as all the others... which were all good as well
    koerok
    one radical record bought it this morning and woooow its great seether rulez i have seen them live and its real great and tommorow i'm having a gig and we are covering Hang On. woow seether seether seether
    EllttEll
    seether is the kind of bad where either you love them or really dont care if there around, personally if they were to die. i would think....."hmmm oh well, suck to be them" i mean i would have a cd if i got a burned copy from a friend, but never go out and by one